Wall issue

[PanzerSnyder]

im not sure if this is a bug, or just the game but, i have a orc town and i just built my walls, however there are large gaps left open for people to just walk through.

it says construction is done, but the wide gaps makes the walls seem pointless and stupid...

(i did not build paliside)

any answers?

[Nermal]

Got the same problem with my orc town. Somehow building the large pallisade before the small one leaves huge gaps in the large one. Cross your fingers and hope they solve it with the upcoming patch, think its a known bug.

[Sunleader]

Ehm well

You know the Large Palisade and the Small Palisade
are two Walls

Inner and Outer Circle

If you only Build the Outer Circle it might be reason for the gaps
since outer Wall most likely is connectet to the inner wall at some points and will thus have gaps there


I am not playing Orc tough so I wont know for sure

[Dreamwalker]

Yeah, I heard that a finished orc town would have a mix of palisade and larger walls. Try building the palisade, and see if that fixes it.

[PanzerSnyder]

oh, well thats a little strange, i didnt realize that. its still a little stupid though, then enemies would just target the weaker palisides. just my opinion though

[Sunleader]

Well
Everything is a matter of Location and Opinion



Building a Wall is just a hindrance and an Tactical Advantage
the Fighting is done by the Troops


If it is one Wall or Ten Walls doesnt mean any difference in the Effektiveness

What makes em Effektive is Location and Usage


For example

Lets say you have 1 Circle of Walls completly surrounding your City
Now you have 2 or 3 half Circles going of off that Inner Circle at Different Positions


In the First Place you might think
Oh now that means I got Two Walls if they Pass here and just One Wall if they Pass here

If you think a step further however
you will also realize this


To Reach that Single Layer Of Wall where they could pass more easily than at the Double Layer
they need to walk closely between two of the Outer Layers
means they will take Fire from two Sides if they try to approach that place in the Wall


so actually its a stronger spot
because at this position you cant lose anything but he cant advance without getting into range of a stronger poisition of yours

the Double Layer standing out is actually the weaker spot because he can attack it on one side and you can only defend with one side
so he can fight you evenly without being outmatched by two positions




Old Castles often used very different Building styles


For Example Building a Single Layered Wall and then have Pieces of the Wall go away from the Castle ending with a Triangle formed Tower
thanks to that they had an advanced Position into the Enemy Lines which attacked
which was hard to take for the enemy as the Walls in the Back would keep you under Fire if you tryed to scale it


of course the enemy does not need to break it to enter since its not actually circling anything
but its a tactical position greatly increasing your Battle Strengh if used right




Once the inner Wall is Finished you should check the whole Picture and see if you got some use for it
so far all Citys I have seen in DoF had some Tactical Knowhow behind them
Each Fortress I found so far was Build in a Way which allowed for a complex Defensive




Take into Consideration that Walls dont Do Damage
and can only be Attacked by Siege Weapons

A Single Layer of Wall which can only be Attacked by getting into range of 10 Defensive Posts
is much more of a Hindrance than a Trible layered Walls which can be taken one after another since theres only 4 Defensive Posts in range at each Attack

[alkaloid]

See I didnt know there was any sort of "inner circle" "outer circle" option. And I would have noticed by now. Where is that option at?

[Sunleader]

When Clicking on yolur Main Building

You have 4 Wall Building Option


2 of em are Palisades
and 2 of em are Stone Walls

If you Read the Description that will tell you that

1. Palisade Option will Build a Palisade around Center of the City
Same goes for the 1. Stone Wall Option which at the same time will Replace the Palisades

2. Palisade Option will Build a Palisade around the Whole City
And again same goes for the 2. Stone Wall which here as well will Replace the Palisades.



Not a hard thing to find out mate
just look closer to your Wall Building Options of your Main Building :P

[alkaloid]

I'm thinking once again this is an "orc thing". I'm thinking they don't have the whole inner/outer circle option, much like they can't build stone walls in the 1st place, which I learned today.

And like I said, if there were an obvious wall-circle option given, I'd probably have noticed by now, but thanks, m8.

[Sunleader]

Hmm
From what I.ve Seen the Orc Towns have an Inner and Outer Circle as well
but its true that they dont have Stone Walls


However I have not Played Orcs so Far
I only know they have Circles because I attacked Orc Towns a few times


Guess we would need an Orc player to tell ya how you can Build that



Another thing I could guess at are Chokes

The Orcs seem to have an Affinity for building Chokes right after or in Front of their Gates
to Force an enemy trough an small area where they can engage em with large mass of Melee Force while Shooting from the sides

(For those who never player Starcraft)
A Choke means that you build your Walls or Buildings in a way that will Force the Enemy to go around them to reach you
so he needs more time to reach you or to you create an artifical small valley they need to pass while being fired upon


For Example putting a Half Circle right behind the Gate
so if you pass the Gate you run against that Half Circle

At the two sides there will be Melee Forces and behind the Circle will be Archers
means once you break trough the Gate you will be engaged from two sides and at the same time you will be put under Fire by Archers you cant reach before fighting your way trough one of the two flanks




Well in any case
I hope some Orc Player shows up to clear this
I am not well versed with Orc Buildings
so I cant name you the right Building where you can Build Wall stuff