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Old 05-27-2009, 07:54 AM
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I was just wondering are you guys balancing each race. Or would it be an advantage to pick one race over the other. Reason why i ask if this game is to make it as an esport, it would have to be balanced or are you not interested in making it an esport?

I told people about this game and many say it looks fun, but it would probably not be esport friendly and will be imbalanced.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:18 AM
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It sounds like they've done a ton of work balancing it. That's mostly the reason the eight races have been reduced to three. Each race and region will have its advantages and disadvantages - like men will probably have the strongest walls and cavalry, elves the strongest archers and magic, and orcs the highest population and the most infantry-based at the expense of a strong navy. Then each region will have a varied geography and resource count, so that some areas will be best for turtlers, boomers, etc. But that's common in all RTS games. It is balanced and whichever region and race you pick, you will still have a fair chance against any other region, you just might want to pick them based on your play style for best results.

What's an esport?
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:06 AM
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esport - E Sport, like C&C 3, they play the games competitively and telecast them.

Variety is one thing I love about RTS, but it can be hard to balance, case in point; AoE3.
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I told people about this game and many say it looks fun, but it would probably not be esport friendly and will be imbalanced.
*unbalanced*
And I believe they couldnt be more wrong... this looks to be one of the most well balanced games I can remember as the 3 races all seem balanced with each other and as far as I can remember there are no tideturning units in it really... even the heroes will be balanced unlike on games such as LOTR and C&C where they could take armies down with ease...

Yes each race has it's differences but the advantages will be countered by its disadvantages... and for a change elven archers WONT be extremely OP and even have the ability to pretty much snipe across the map.

Also if I remember rightly... normal weapons such as swords and arrows cannot harm buildings which was an annoying part of many RTS games where walls were destroyed by a few men hacking away at it with swords...
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Now that is realism. I never understood then how units should take out buildings. I could see them being able to set fire to it or to pillage it instead of the usual. That would be cool.
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Yeah, the races are so balanced I still don't know which I'll pick. So I think this isn't a question, I'm sure we'll spent an hour at the screen thinking about which race to pick.
Can't wait!
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Yeah, the races are so balanced I still don't know which I'll pick. So I think this isn't a question, I'm sure we'll spent an hour at the screen thinking about which race to pick.
Can't wait!
You seem to have a skewed perception of balance. There's no way to make a valid comment on balance without playing the game and not just 2 or 3 matches but more like a few dozen.

What you're probably saying is that all races seem equally appealing and "cool".

To me DoF doesn't look like a game geared towards e-sports (not necessarily a bad thing) which I don't care much about anyway but we'll see. Also it's almost certain that it will have a decent amount of imbalances when it hits the shelves, the question is how will it progress from there.

As Darvin said balance is a touchy subject and practically all developers have great difficulties with that aspect of their games.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:23 PM
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Balance is a very touchy subject to say the least.

A typical E-Sports Definition:
The variation in strengths and weaknesses of any given faction are subtle enough that the outcome will be reflected by the skill of the player and not the map or factions selected.

Fairly simple; make the factions and maps as varied as you like, but at the end of the day a match should boil down to who was the better player, not who picked the "right" faction. Starcraft is the poster-boy for this definition.

However, it leaves two outstanding omissions. The first is that of player skill levels. It may be that two players of very high skill find the game balanced, but two players of very low skill it may not be. Some techniques may not be available to those of moderate micromanagement, which changes what strategies work and how well they work.

The second issue with the definition is that it leaves open the issue of over-used and under-used units. It may be there is one and only one strategy available in many situations, or that one strategy is viable in all situations. Many people would not consider this balanced, and a perfect example is the mutalisk of Starcraft.
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*unbalanced*

Also if I remember rightly...
That should say "If I remember 'Correctly'", ahhh I love it....you correct him then get corrected yourself XD

And yes the factions seem balanced enough from what has been released, with no "Super Weapons" (i.e. Nukes/etc-C&C, Heros-BfME 1,2,3, etc) and balanced enough Heros.

It doesnt seem to me like the people making this game are biased toward certain factions. (Unlike the BFME guys, thinking that since Elves own in general they should own ingame also.)

Also that post was super long and I got lost after the first paragraph and just skipped to the last paragraph lol. Keep it short, sweet, and to the point.
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*unbalanced*

Also if I remember rightly...
That should say "If I remember 'Correctly'", ahhh I love it....you correct him then get corrected yourself XD

Also that post was super long and I got lost after the first paragraph and just skipped to the last paragraph lol. Keep it short, sweet, and to the point.
Here in Wales, 'rightly' is the term of speech we use, correctly is more grammatically viable yes but rightly still is a word that suits the sentence

And yeah same as me I saw the first paragraph... then decided to skip the rest of the post, the first paragraph was far too much of a rant for me to bother to read the rest...
In response, people dont play games all the time because their life sucks... perhaps they like games? simple as... Im perfectly happy with my life; i have plenty of friends, im popular enough to get by, i am healthy and yes i do get out... But one of the things I enjoy most is a good computer game, whether it be RTS, RPG, FPS or others depends how i feel at the time.

Such a rant is justifiable yes but unnecessary and unwanted, in future please refrain as it may offend people.

And to get back on topic.... Yeah the game looks to be well balanced and yes pretty much all developers struggle to balance a game well but that is what patching is for right? and I have full faith in Reverie, they will deliver for us....
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