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LiTos456
05-15-2009, 03:55 PM
Hello everyone.
You might all know me as the guy from the forums but I'm also the owner of one of first DoF fansites, Dawn of Fantasy Source. (http://dofsource.com)

First of all I'd like to generally promote the site. We offer plenty of features for creative people, as well as a forum very similar in features to this one.
Our site is capable of hosting user fanart, screenshots and other images. Aside from that we aimed for creating a site to be the best source for Dawn of Fantasy downloads (mind the name itself) - mods, maps, tools, and official files and patches. Any of this can be submitted to the site by members and then as it is approved by an administrator it will become public.
We also have a video gallery, although we do not allow direct uploads. In order for your video to be placed on our site, you must upload it to any other website such as youtube, and then give us the embed code. We have disabled direct uploads to save space and prevent any possible server slow downs.

Now that you know what the site is about, let's get to what we've got to offer so far.
We have 7 exclusive never seen before shots, 4 of which have been up for a while on DoFSource, and members of DOFS could have already seen it. Today, we have received 3 more fantastic screenshots featuring an epic battle scene under the rain and the cover of night. I'm positive that all of you my favorite DOF fans are interested.
You can view the screenshots at the exclusive screenshots gallery section (http://dofsource.com/photogallery.php?album_id=8).

If, however, you are interested in signing up for the site, all you have to go is go to dofsource.com (http://dofsource.com), and make an account (http://dofsource.com/register.php). There is no email verification required for registration either, so it's fairly easy and not annoying.

Thank you everyone! We hope to bring more and more exclusive content to you as we go, and perhaps even a new unofficial trailer with never seen before video footage. The things we can bring you can possibly go all the way up to beta keys, although I don't know if that'll be possible yet.

Cheers mates, and happy DoFing!

Ovocean
05-16-2009, 04:34 AM
Commercial speech blabla commercial speech.
Good job with the site, even though for now it looks really overloaded and the delimiter bars' repetitive textures don't help. But for major sites like you aim dofsource to be I prefer them to be made by a gathering of people from the community and open to changes in an approximate democratic way than a one-guy initiative who will feel he's the king.

Andy Joslin
05-16-2009, 11:06 AM
I haven't even seen these before now, they're very nice. http://reverieworld.com/forums/images/dof/icons/icon13.gif

LiTos456
05-16-2009, 04:31 PM
Commercial speech blabla commercial speech.
Good job with the site, even though for now it looks really overloaded and the delimiter bars' repetitive textures don't help. But for major sites like you aim dofsource to be I prefer them to be made by a gathering of people from the community and open to changes in an approximate democratic way than a one-guy initiative who will feel he's the king.

Actually it's exactly what you're saying it is.
To this time we've already made a few changes that were suggested by the members on the forum.
And if you hadn't noticed I use "we" so I'm not the only one who was working on the site.
We don't have a large community yet... because most people are here.
And do you not expect me to use commercial speech? I do need to let people know about the site in a way, so I'd rather do it in a mature, organized way.
It's funny how you didn't even comment on the screenshots themselves.

Oh and Andy - yeah, DoFs is the first place to have them.

Alex Walz
05-16-2009, 10:01 PM
Sounds nice. :)
*registers*

Ovocean
05-17-2009, 05:25 AM
Actually it's exactly what you're saying it is.
To this time we've already made a few changes that were suggested by the members on the forum.
And if you hadn't noticed I use "we" so I'm not the only one who was working on the site.Then I apologize. And for my rudeness too, I'm just being irritated by anything that relates to commercial-marketing spirit.
The "we" cannot be an indication of wether you where alone or not, it's a constant of commercial speech.

And do you not expect me to use commercial speech? I do need to let people know about the site in a way, so I'd rather do it in a mature, organized way.Commercial speech = language tricks and techniques to make people do something that will benefit you. In practice it means exploiting other people. So, yes, It sounds off for a free iniative to avoid speaking in perfect simplicity and honesty. Not that all your post was a "lie", but I don't feel like you have a candid approach to promoting DoFSource. Using screenshots exclusivity is very strange in its own. Why inventing that ? It looks like it's just to motivate people to create an account, which is slightly pathetic. Can't you just promote the real speficities of dofs ?
I'd like to see the marketing frame of mind erased from planet Earth, it spoils human relations. It's a plague.

It's funny how you didn't even comment on the screenshots themselves.I wasn't interested in this part of your post. I'm not fan of DoF enough yet to chase after a few screenshots. If they were posted here I would have looked at them and commented them. ^^

Alex Walz
05-17-2009, 09:51 AM
You have a rather pessimistic view on advertising, my friend.
Litos here is indirectly advertising our new favorite game, Dawn of Fantasy. You may not have noticed, but nobody outside this little group really knows about the game, so he is doing a very good thing. As for commercial speech, it's another necessity. I usually try and issue a somewhat format press release for something larger that I do and, like Litos, I constantly use 'we,' even when writing primarily about something I published individually. This isn't because I have split personalities, it's because, as staff, I'm representing the entire fansite community. One thing I'm not sure I agree with is making visitors register to see parts of the site. Yes, I did register but mostly this has an inverse effect as visitors are more likely to leave rather than keep lurking around the instant they see a registration screen. Most sites have somewhere around a 90/10 ration where 90% of the visitors lurk but never register and only 10% register and contribute, so I always like to cater to that 90%. But good job on securing the shots all the same.

LiTos456
05-17-2009, 11:02 AM
Thanks for backing me up Alex.
There are a few reasons why I need people to register. First of all, I obviously need members. Maybe a portion of those who registers to look at the exclusive shots will actually stay around.
Second, it is benefitial for them to register - they get exclusive shots not available anywhere else, and also even if it was my idea in the first place someone from Reverie also suggested for me to do that.
And even if users do not stay, when DoF comes out and after some time they make a map, and they wonder where to put it up, they'll think and say "Oh wait, I remember I have an account on that site where I can upload things!" and then he comes to the site and hopefully, there is a lot of content up by then and he's excited to share his and find some other interesting things to download.
It all doesn't work instantaniously. Yes I also do hate commercial speech and I do love honest things, but I decided to write honest things in commercial speech because it seemed more solid, elegant, and professional. If you take a look at the website itself, you will surely find that none of what I said doesn't exist.
And besides, how could someone lie about the features of a website? It isn't a commercial product advertised on TV, no, and it's not one of those "Make my computer fast in an instant" sites.
I apologize that forcing members to register to see the exclusive shots is unreasonable, but in the very beginning of the site, when barely anybody knows about it - let alone the game itself (as alex said, not many outside this little group know about DoF) - at this time, I have to do more of this kind of promotion. Later, when the game is out, when there are more people knowing it, it should all eventually come around by itself and I won't be doing this anymore.
And just FYI, to confirm Alex's thought, the way I advertise DoFs on other gaming websites is that I make a thread about dawn of fantasy and then at the end of the post I actually mention the website. That way, I'm really advertising our beloved Dawn of Fantasy instead of my site.
Cheers!

PS: I cannot believe this thread ended up being an argument. On nearly every forum, there's always one person who would jack a thread just to flame on or hate on the creator of it. So 1-1, we're even, because that seems unreasonable. You jack my thread, and I make you register to see shots. Viola.

Neotyguy40
05-17-2009, 12:11 PM
I agree with Ovocean...

This 'speech' looks like it is truly wanting to become 'the' site for DoF, and although I like fansites, one that needs to register just to see something is very poorly made. Most fansites, like RS fansites, WoW fansite, TW fansites, etc. let people view the site however they want to help themselves, or something to that point. But DoFS needs to register to view... Pics? I am not that desperate to view something for DoF when screenshots are only for people who give some info away. I do not want to be part of a website that does not say they won't 'sell my e-mail', or anything like that.

Sorry, but I am tempted to register with a fake email and post the pics on photobucket myself just to keep others from having the urge to do that. Fansites should not have to need to register to view anything, maybe to post on a forum, but not to view screenies...

Alex Walz
05-17-2009, 12:21 PM
Neo makes a good point. You might want to put a watermark on those exclusive screenshots if you want them to remain exclusive.

LiTos456
05-17-2009, 12:26 PM
Alright. As you can see I listen to your suggestions so now you can view the shots without registering.
Happy?
And I do have a watermark, on the new 3 ones. I can't edit the older ones because they already got views/comments etc. But thats okay.
I've also revised the first post.
Jesus, no need to bash! I'm not that stubborn.

Ovocean
05-17-2009, 01:30 PM
PS: I cannot believe this thread ended up being an argument. On nearly every forum, there's always one person who would jack a thread just to flame on or hate on the creator of it. So 1-1, we're even, because that seems unreasonable. You jack my thread, and I make you register to see shots. Viola.:) Well, if you want. I think I've already registered by curiosity when you advertised the first batch of exclusive screenshots. That's a good thing that it doesn't need e-mail verification !
For the rest, I tried to be reasonable (I failed sometimes), I expressed my opinion on your post and your website because it looks like it could become one of the main community website for DoF in the future, and I would like to encourage it to follow the way that will be most profitable to all.
I've lurked around a few modding communities, and it often happened that they were scattered among multiple websites, mainly because the webmasters of these websites just wanted to create their own and sometimes because they had a different approach on how to creat/maintain a website and a forum, etc. In the end, all these websites had the same basic features and it just scattered the players, the modders and the stuff they shared. Because most players and modders just wan't to share their creations and passion for the game and don't care about who's managing the site or moderating the forum.

I hope for the DoF community that only one community website will eventually emerge.
I hope that this website is managed in a democratic way.
My point is exposed and I - don't promise that I - won't argue more on details. ;)

Alright. As you can see I listen to your suggestions so now you can view the shots without registering.That's cool! Well done and fast!

LiTos456
05-17-2009, 01:37 PM
See, I told you. You give me good reasons, show me a good argument and if you win, I'll of course agree with it.
Now let's make peace or my orcs will eat you.
Thanks for the appreciation for the site though. It's also my goal to become the major community site for DoF.

Puppeteer
05-17-2009, 03:53 PM
I apologize that forcing members to register to see the exclusive shots is unreasonable
This is the one thing I abject to. You have a nice site, and are bound to attract plenty of members when, but I believe that no fan-site should receive exclusive content. It creates divisions of information, and pockets of esoteric communities. Devs should spread keep a central bank of all their screenshots, and let communities pick and choose their favourites.
Freedom of information and all that jazz. Without it, who'd have known about all the MPs' expenses?

Neotyguy40
05-17-2009, 04:42 PM
Now let's make peace or my orcs will eat you.


Wait... I thought you were part of the elf sect...


It's also my goal to become the major community site for DoF.


No fansite is ever 'the' major community site for almost any game. Sure, there's major community sites, just like yours, but before you know it, many others will spring up and it will most likely not matter to anyone, for the official site always is 'the' major community site.

LiTos456
05-17-2009, 05:45 PM
God, you people are so difficult.
Alright, all I'm trying to do is make a web tool that would be useful for some people like you guys, and whoever plays this game. I'm not trying to make money from it, I'm not trying to force people into it (although I do wish this website becomes known) and at this point I'm just glad this website is the first of it's kind, so hopefully I could get a head start. Yes, games have communities that aren't "major" but "most popular". I want to create a community like that.
I don't see what the problem with that is. I'm aiming to create a well known, useful and effective website, and I hope to make it large and popular among Dawn of Fantasy players. Why does this have to be criticized?

Danny Vink
05-17-2009, 07:04 PM
That's enough

LiTos is releasing some exclusive shots on his own website. If he wants people to register, thats his business. If it seems like a marketing ploy, thats up to you do decide. If you take the time to write the post criticizing it, you may as well register on his site and check out the screens anyway. His goal is to become a major community website for Dawn of Fantasy. Theres no harm in that. If it was pointless to make a major community site, there wouldn't be places such as FileFront, RTS Community, and the like. So, enjoy the shots, or don't, but lets stop this pointless arguing regardless

Feweh
05-17-2009, 09:06 PM
The website is so cluttered :(, it makes me want to tear my eyes out.

LiTos456
05-17-2009, 09:54 PM
What do you mean by cluttered? Too much stuff?

Ryan Zelazny
05-18-2009, 12:02 AM
This is the one thing I abject to. You have a nice site, and are bound to attract plenty of members when, but I believe that no fan-site should receive exclusive content. It creates divisions of information, and pockets of esoteric communities. Devs should spread keep a central bank of all their screenshots, and let communities pick and choose their favourites.
Freedom of information and all that jazz. Without it, who'd have known about all the MPs' expenses?

RTS Community also got a set of exclusive screens quite awhile ago. Not only is it to promote the community site we give them to, it's also so that people from that community site will come visit us here and it's been a success from RTSC as we've gotten quite a few forum members from there. They've also all have been very helpful to us with their input and mature behavior so it's something I think we'll be continuing in the future.

Exclusives in general help us quite a bit, if a media source gets an "exclusive" set of screens, video, interview, etc. we get a larger part of their marketing because they spend time and sometimes money marketing the exclusive. It can work very much to our advantage in terms of getting advertising for DoF. Call it selling out if you will, but I'd gladly be called a sell out if it means more gamers for you guys to play with, and more funding for our future projects for you to enjoy.

LiTos456
05-18-2009, 01:46 PM
Besides, it feels good to receive exclusives from the devs. :P

fyro11
05-18-2009, 01:59 PM
It's definitely better to keep the screenshots viewable without registration. Just make the registration tempting in a more honest fashion, such as the community that awaits, and how the community may benefit that new member.

No need to sweat it though. There will always be a few people whining, who pretend like they speak for everyone, whereas they're only speaking for themselves. What they don't realise is that they're wrecking the very premise of 'democracy' itself dictating how things should be.

Neotyguy40
05-18-2009, 02:12 PM
It's definitely better to keep the screenshots viewable without registration. Just make the registration tempting in a more honest fashion, such as the community that awaits, and how the community may benefit that new member.

No need to sweat it though. There will always be a few people whining, who pretend like they speak for everyone, whereas they're only speaking for themselves. What they don't realise is that they're wrecking the very premise of 'democracy' itself dictating how things should be.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I guess what I am trying to say is I am upset that the official site isn't as forgiving as DoFS, as in the official site hasn't been updated for almost a year, while this site will (hopefully) be updated with information that no one else is allowed to view. It's like Pepsi when they started making new flavors. They let other people like Wal-Mart and restaurants sell them, but they don't sell them directly from their stores, they will only sell a few types of flavors.

It is communistic like that, maybe in a strange way, but it is...

I am also upset because he seems to post it EVERYWHERE... I am ok with people advertising their site, making a thread on in, putting it in there sig, and directing people to it when it could be of some use, but the second response I received from my returning thread was

make sure to check out dofsource.com

I don't mind it, but I don't like it when people tell me to do something 5 seconds after I enter the door... It's not right... Advertise any site you want, but not on every other post you make, I am sure others are starting to get sick of it, and I have just got here 2 weeks ago...

LiTos456
05-18-2009, 06:33 PM
Yeah, I'm aware of that. I didnt think I should be saying that but I decided I should try the more evil way of advertising (after my past experiences of numerously failing to gain a base of members on my previous sites). Sorry again.
Fyro, I've already mentioned that I've disabled the registration requirement.
Also - DoFS is open for writers who want to extend the information on the various pages of "The game" section. Currently I'm looking for people to be the writers, and if someone does decide to help out they'll become part of the DoFS team as a writer of the information, and the one in charge of updating it, looking for new information, etc. So if anyone is willing to help out, I'd be glad to listen up.