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vicious666
06-02-2012, 05:40 AM
1)heroes, you can have 60 of them, making the normal troops pointless they need to be limited of 1 for each type max for army
2) heroes can have 100% resistance in everything making the dragons useless, so doesnt matter if we apply the limit for hero type, but also we need to re-consider theyr resistance, attributes.
3) dragons , limit them to 1-2 per army otherwise they too strong too
4) troops, is ridiculous see 60 man army ogre. limit the troops at 16x max for each type (16x is max troops you can assign to a contro key such as ctrl+1)

daikl
06-02-2012, 07:34 AM
Agree with the first 3,but the forth not so much.Its up to anyone to build their army as they want.you can always counter this with 60 squads of pikes.

PS:yes i play orc but i rarely use ogres.

vicious666
06-02-2012, 08:45 AM
Agree with the first 3,but the forth not so much.Its up to anyone to build their army as they want.you can always counter this with 60 squads of pikes.

PS:yes i play orc but i rarely use ogres.

Again is a stupid way to see this game.

unless you like to spam 60 units of "chose one", and expect others to do same. an rts like this is supposed to have a mix of units so you can use them in the right moment against the troops of your opponent, is the sense of tactics.

otherwise we will simply all use the top uber 60 units combo and fight that way. so when we dicover that one we can even remove the other units

daikl
06-02-2012, 08:58 AM
I gave a solution to this problem in the other thread.Read there.

Kajanov
06-02-2012, 09:53 AM
A 60 ogre army is more a storage army than a combat one, the fact that they can defend themseves is a bonus and poor guy who attacks the storage army of 60 ogres

vicious666
06-02-2012, 10:02 AM
A 60 ogre army is more a storage army than a combat one, the fact that they can defend themseves is a bonus and poor guy who attacks the storage army of 60 ogres

dont focus on ogre is an example jesus

you really cant look more faar than this?


60 hero is an issue also

i am talking in general.

anything that can be replicated ad infinitum is a balance break, and a monotony to the game

Kajanov
06-02-2012, 12:18 PM
I never said I disagree with the others (many heroes, mant dragons) just wanted to point out that an ogre army has a point besides baing decent at fighting. Arguably an ogre army is better for storage than wargs, because of the fact it can protect itself, while wargs with their 50 default health have a tough time staying alive.

aramsm
06-02-2012, 01:44 PM
I agree with the first and second but not the fourth.

An army of heroes is a great unbalance thing because they are a special unit, stronger than normal ones. Dragons could be strong sometimes but they sucks at melee and against pikeman, so I dont know...

I dont think they should restrict us the way we should build an army, except for the heroes one. I think if I want to build an army with only one type of unit I should but this seems stupid since Ill have a big trade-off here, since I wont have any range attack.

If we are forced to mix our armies always then we could fall into the same problem, like in every army you will find 1x tanker, 2x range, 2x cavalry etc... Not that we will always find the same amount of type of units, but I mean we will always find the same build like tankers, rangers, cavalry and healers if we consider a full army (60). You couldnt make an army, for example, with half tankers and half healers because tankers or healers will reach their limit (maybe 16 squads per army?).

Sunleader
06-02-2012, 02:03 PM
Ehm guys

1. The Resistances and Limits are same as Main Hero
so he wont get 100% Resistance except using a Special Ability which however is time limited and only gives 100% Resistance to 1 Stat
should they be able to truly have 100% permanent Resistance to all Damage sorts
then I am pretty sure it is a Bug and will be fixed


2. 60 Hero Army ?
Well then Try making one :)

ah well I dont want you to waste Influence so I.ll just tell ya whats gonna happen :)

To be simple
if theyre low lvl you might Find Enemys
but it will be Enemys with Dragons or Higher Level Units because your Heros add quite alot of Str to your Army Rating :)
if your using Higher lvl Heros you are going to get a Problem
it will basicly be Impossible to Find an Enemy which is not using lots of Heros himself or using Big Dragons :)

in the End it will end with you taking forever to find a Big Enemy
and then losing 30 Wealth for Each Unit that goes down
not a Good Deal if you ask me


3. 60 Unit of the same Type
thats a goner for some time
early times we always had Armys only using mass of one unit type
but its hard to coordinate such armys
most of the time the enemy will simply put fire on your ass and half army will be dead before you cand draw it out


4. Dragons are Insanely Powerful
but they are expensive and take lots of units cap and lots of str in your Army
you will Face quite Big Armys
and if your Enemy knows how to Deal with Dragons your going to have Trouble
tough theyre still very poweful atm :)
wont complain if they get nerfed a little
their Fireball is just insane after all




Greetz
ps
Just wanted to give ya some things to think about :)

aramsm
06-02-2012, 02:30 PM
Ehm guys

1. The Resistances and Limits are same as Main Hero
so he wont get 100% Resistance except using a Special Ability which however is time limited and only gives 100% Resistance to 1 Stat
should they be able to truly have 100% permanent Resistance to all Damage sorts
then I am pretty sure it is a Bug and will be fixed


2. 60 Hero Army ?
Well then Try making one :)

ah well I dont want you to waste Influence so I.ll just tell ya whats gonna happen :)

To be simple
if theyre low lvl you might Find Enemys
but it will be Enemys with Dragons or Higher Level Units because your Heros add quite alot of Str to your Army Rating :)
if your using Higher lvl Heros you are going to get a Problem
it will basicly be Impossible to Find an Enemy which is not using lots of Heros himself or using Big Dragons :)

in the End it will end with you taking forever to find a Big Enemy
and then losing 30 Wealth for Each Unit that goes down
not a Good Deal if you ask me


3. 60 Unit of the same Type
thats a goner for some time
early times we always had Armys only using mass of one unit type
but its hard to coordinate such armys
most of the time the enemy will simply put fire on your ass and half army will be dead before you cand draw it out


4. Dragons are Insanely Powerful
but they are expensive and take lots of units cap and lots of str in your Army
you will Face quite Big Armys
and if your Enemy knows how to Deal with Dragons your going to have Trouble
tough theyre still very poweful atm :)
wont complain if they get nerfed a little
their Fireball is just insane after all




Greetz
ps
Just wanted to give ya some things to think about :)

Yeah, this is true. I believe this solve all the problem.

About the dragons: how to deal with them: when they spit the fireball there is even a great chance they miss their target, so first dont get your troops together when a dragon is aproaching; second the fireball gets some time to hit the ground, use this time to run; third, dragons animation takes some time when you order him to spit, use this time to order your pikeman charge into him, it cant cancel the fireball so the dragon will be stucked on the animation for some time. Thats it, its not SO powerfull. Ofc if the fireball hits your troops it will be hit kill, but if you can manage to avoid it (and there is even a bug that helps you, wich makes fireball hit the sky) its not so dificult to kill them, just requires some work and patience.

PS: Is anyone getting some problem with game crashing when starting it? I cant play because of this and no one answer me on the support.

Zekarde
06-05-2012, 12:31 AM
hmm, I have yet to fight a 60 ogre army or a 6 dragon army. I have dealt with a 60 mounted knight army and I admit it wasn't easy to deal with, though to properly consider I think a person needs to measure the amount of resources building the army costs, how much effort it takes to control, how much you risk losing and the strength rating it will have.

In all honesty if you go spend 1800 crowns on a hero army you deserve a few victories.. But if its balanced then they will have high enough strength rating it wont matter for most people anyway; I don't think the game needs restrictive composition mechanics... just balanced units.

PS: Is anyone getting some problem with game crashing when starting it? I cant play because of this and no one answer me on the support.

I have not had any trouble lately.

Ghost
06-05-2012, 11:33 AM
Massing one unit type is high risk high reward. Someone once tried to attack me with an army of 50 archers and one dragon. He would have devastated me had I had mainly archers/heavy infantry. Unfortunately for him, my army consisted of mainly cavalry. One swift cavalry charge = 50 dead archers.

Ogres are powerful, but they do have counters. Pikes are the obvious one, but archers mow them down pretty quickly too as long as you have a screen of pikes/heavy infantry in front of them to slow charging units down. If you're playing humans, crossbowman work wonders.

Regarding the hero thing, like was mentioned before, if you only kill 2 units in that army during the entire battle, your opponent loses 60 wealth. Even if the rest of your army gets decimated, economic victory is still yours.

vicious666
06-05-2012, 07:58 PM
Massing one unit type is high risk high reward. Someone once tried to attack me with an army of 50 archers and one dragon. He would have devastated me had I had mainly archers/heavy infantry. Unfortunately for him, my army consisted of mainly cavalry. One swift cavalry charge = 50 dead archers.

Ogres are powerful, but they do have counters. Pikes are the obvious one, but archers mow them down pretty quickly too as long as you have a screen of pikes/heavy infantry in front of them to slow charging units down. If you're playing humans, crossbowman work wonders.

Regarding the hero thing, like was mentioned before, if you only kill 2 units in that army during the entire battle, your opponent loses 60 wealth. Even if the rest of your army gets decimated, economic victory is still yours.



no is not becose make 60 wealth is very easy, re-skill up 10-20 unitts maybe lev 10+ is matter of days i do 60 wealth in 2h maybe

Ghost
06-07-2012, 05:34 PM
If your army is lvl 10, you should be slaughtering those hero units. Unless the hero units are lvl 10 also in which case my arguement still stands because you can't train up heros like you can regular units up to lvl 5. Losing a lvl 10 hero would be a huge loss considering the time invested in it.

Sunleader
06-08-2012, 09:08 AM
By the way
Leveling up a Unit to 10 is slower than lvling a Hero to 10
thats true

but it also depends on the Hero and Unit

a lvl 10 Knight Outskills an lvl 10 Hero so far that he wont even kill 3 guys of the Squad ....
the Hero is an Tank Unit and an Line Breaker
Fighting with 9 Knight Squads and Hero against 10 Knights Squads will grant you Superiority because the Hero is Covered and does Splash Damage while lining off Damage from Enemy Units giving Boosts and so on

but its not like the Hero Himself is Invincible or some really strong Unit
and leveling him up to 60 so hes actually capable of Taking Down Enemy all by himself is quite a feat

also 30 Wealth is done in 2 Hours
but mate
a Knightsquad Costs me less than 1000 Gold at NPC Town
Leveling them to 5 costs another 1000 Gold (actually totally overestimatet here its much cheaper)


and leveling it is not really that much more work than leveling a Hero
I actually treatet my First Knight Squad as my Heros Bodyguard
it startet at lvl 1 when my Hero was 30 it was lvl 9 when my Hero went to 33
since then it keeps catching up
by the way the Dragonslayer I bought together with the Knight was lvl 6 when the Knights reached lvl 9


Leveling a Knight is a little bit harder because you need to attack bigger groups of enemys (cause if you dont they simply kill everything too fast to level xD)
unlike Heros which take a while as they do far less damage ^^



So this is not really a problem
try it
Buy a Knight Squad :P
respective Orc Slayers respective Grandmasters :P