How future PvP should work

[Chinchy2222]

I will do this in bulletin form if you want an elaboration on anything just quote it and ask a question I will answer ASAP.


SEMI-PvP ZONES


-Low yield zones (Resources can't be harvested as fast as PvP zone cities)

-Where your first city is

-Cannot build more cities here

-People who do not want to fight for territory will be here

-Battle system will not change from the current one here (Uses the strength calculator for even match ups)

-Epic units cannot die in this area (Wealth units)

-Winning a battle in this area will not gain you Wealth instead it will gain you a new PvE currency that will help you buy special units that make PvE easier but have no effect in PvP

-Map will be reworked so the safe SEMI-PvP zones are in the center to prevent noobs from accidentally running out into the Full PvP zone



PvP ZONES


-This is where you would build your second, third or forth city

-These zones have a high resource yield

-Each city you have in this area will make you a small amount of wealth per day

-Cities are hidden until discovered (Fog of war)

-Armies will appear when within a reasonable proximity to each other

-Anyone can fight anyone in this area

-Cities have an SOI (Sphere of influence) that prevents other cities from being build near them (you could probably fit 8 cities max in a PvP zone) this is to prevent overcrowding

-You can attack someone who is off line with restrictions

-If you attack someone that is offline you will have to wait up to 3 hours for your opponent or one of his allies to respond to the distress call if no one respawns in that time a simplistic AI will take over your opponents troops (This is to prevent people from just offline holding territory)

-It will cost a decent amount of resources to set up a city (10k of each resource and 30 wealth)

-All battle restrictions removed in this area (an army of 1 unit can be attacked by an army of 60)

-All units can die here except for the hero if he is slain he will be teleported back to your first city

-If you attack a city and succeed that city is destroyed and will free up that area to place a city of your own (This is to keep a constant resource sink in the game to get Reverie more money, its also there to stop people from rapidly expanding)


That's all I can come up with off the top of my head I would much rather see PvP like this giving meaning to alliances. It will also allow the people that just want to stick to the PvE a nice fluffy safe zone where they can bounce off all the walls and not fear falling on a sharp pointy object. Please if you can I would like feedback on what you think of this idea.

[Sunleader]

Completly against it.

The Whole idea of Seperating PvP and PvE content is not agreeing with me
if you dont want to PvP just buy the PvP Protection
the largest Protection costs you about 5 small quests Wealth reward and lasts 48 hours
On top only runs during your actual Online Time

This is already not sitting right with me
I think this should be much more Expensive
Or should only Work for Home City
In any case it should be nerfed



I cant support any Idea that will further weaken the PvP part of this Game


Sorry
Greetz

[Chinchy2222]

Revised re-read Sunleader

[knightl]

i Don't like the whole concept at all it makes the plans they have for the future and it makes the online mmo environment just feel too different your ideas are great but just too different for my tastes

[WazDoF]

I've discussed a little bit about that matter with Chinchy in the chat today and I'd propose some variations to its model since we both agree that overcrowding would still be a problem that could cause visibility problem on the world map :


This is the way I'm thinking about this :

You should have as Chinchy said " relatively safe zones" where PvP keeps the same way to work than right now (+/- 10% army value, random encounters, etc...) and with in NPC cities are the same as well. You can siege them but not take them. The players would have their city in them.
To sum things up, they would run excatly as the game now runs.

On the other hand, you would have "PvP zones" within which PvP is free (i.e. no army value thing) and most important of all, NPC towns can be taken. This would imply than only its owner/owner alliance's members would access to its services. Maybe adding 1-2 NPC towns slots which can be customized would be nice too. Rewarding the city's owner/alliance with wealth could be nice, even though it would be sad to reward them so much then can't be beaten by anyone else. This would request in siege system (allows several players to choose a target, make sieging impossible when already sieged, maybe timed attacks to make easier to defender to gather troups, etc...) that I don't know if it's easy to create, so here's just a suggestion.

[Sunleader]

Actually Reading this

Mate did you ever Play DoF ?


This is completly Different from the Actual Game System
And is pretty much Impossible to Realize


The Map is not Big enough to Support a System like that
and you dont have Multiple Citys to begin with since each City is an Complete Independent Player for itself



Your whole System would Require a whole different Gameplay mate.
And I actually like it pretty much as it is atm ^^
With the Exception that we need more Players of course ^^

[Dreamwalker]

Yeah, it isn't really a bad idea, but it wouldn't work out. Like sun said, you only get 1 city anyway, and DOF can't really handle all those extra cities right now.

[Chinchy2222]

Your whole System would Require a whole different Gameplay mate.

Do you really mean the game mechanics would have to be changed to make this work? So? This game is in the early stages and as it stands there is not enough to do to keep people enticed ask any newish player the PvP right now is mediocre at best I assume Reverie likes making money, the system they have going right now is ok but it feels tacked on and temporary, players that have played open PvP mmorts's(Most other mmorts's are open PvP btw) will not enjoy this game for long they will get bored.

[andreicde]

Do you really mean the game mechanics would have to be changed to make this work? So? This game is in the early stages and as it stands there is not enough to do to keep people enticed ask any newish player the PvP right now is mediocre at best I assume Reverie likes making money, the system they have going right now is ok but it feels tacked on and temporary, players that have played open PvP mmorts's(Most other mmorts's are open PvP btw) will not enjoy this game for long they will get bored.

um reverie is barely making money ,don't forget the Store doesn't have any big advantages. plus the pvp is going to change after they have guild castles .

[Chinchy2222]

um reverie is barely making money ,don't forget the Store doesn't have any big advantages. plus the pvp is going to change after they have guild castles .

I know there not making money they make you pay entry and then have a cash shop tbh that's already broken if anything that needs to be looked at before they fix other problems my advice go FTP and have a cash shop.

[Sunleader]

There is no Game Mechanic to Show other Players Armys or to Limit Sight of Armys
And Due to the Map Size which is very Small it would be a terrible Mess to see other Peoples Armys Walk on the Map
All Citys are Currently Build in one Spot on each Region
so you cant really make em Show up to other Players since you would need to show 100 Citys on 9 Spots in total
Finally you are choosing your Region and theres nothing so special in the Regions
so a Seperation of PvE and PvP Region is Hardly Possible
since each Player would have different Regions for PvE and PvP
also due to the small map this would also become about Impossible to seperate


As a sidenote Attacking an Offline Player is Impossible Right now and wont ever be possible since it is an Real Time Tactical Game that makes an Fight with just 1 Player pretty much Impossible as the other would need to be played by AI or not at all making the Fight extremly onesided as you would either use a very strong AI making it an good fight option
or making it an weak AI having people losing Armys and be annoyed

So this is also not an option actually


Greetz Sun
ps dont get me wrong
your system aint all that bad
but for this Game its simply not matching Picture
your System is the type used in Round Based Long Time MMOs like Ogame or The West or Evony where a Tactic can be devised before the Fight and were you have Maps that take Days and Weeks to travel
its nothing that is applicable to an Real Time MMO Tactic Game were you cant define a Tactic beforehand and in which you can travel the whole map within half an hour

[selridion]

hmm free to play...
i hate free to play
its like the dirty blister of the games industry

what i think this game needs most = polish
the concept is awesome but the game itself is not very user friendly at the moment due its many bugs
if the dev's refine the game further and put it on steam / get some publicity it could get plenty of sales
iv it wasn't for the fact i read massively... i wouldn't even have known this game exists


now about pvp
i barely ever pvp... cuz it lags and its glitchy...
i get challenged for pvp all the time, i just ignored it and it goes away
you loose some resources.... but well once your done building your castle you don't need them anyways
and if you do need your resources... you wont have any for pvpers to steal cuz you would be using them
i dont see any need at all to change pvp as it is
actually i think they should add more to it

this is a game for real men :P *****'s should go play age of empire online
mwhohahaha