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Chris
11-14-2011, 06:44 AM
I am impressed, you actually got it published and released! Imagine my surprise to see it for sale in Finland while I was visiting my girlfriend. It was right there, on the shelf, a game among games. I didn't play part in majority of its creation, but I felt an immense sense of nostalgia.

This took, almost literally, forever. I am so glad to see some of you still around, like Konstantin and Ryan.

For those of you who have no idea who I am, back in the very beginning of this project I was mainly working as an art guy here. We were all kids, most of us having come from Age of Kings scenario development community, having a dream to create a game of our own. So it went from creating a 2D medieval game to 3D medieval game to 3D fantasy game in two years time.

Life took me apart from the project, but I am glad to see it finally done.

I haven't bought it yet myself, but I see that there's hope in the form of new content and patches and I might jump on the boat once that happens and the kinks are ironed out. One way or another, I will look forward to future titles of Reverie, I always knew you guys had immense amount of talent and for the first bird hatched, it is a promising one.

For those of you wishing a glimpse into the very past, here's an interview from almost nine years ago (and you can see by screenshots how far Reverie has come) http://dgdn.net/dgdn.php?id=3&cat=features_pages&interview_ID=1

Chris
11-14-2011, 07:46 AM
I also managed to find the very beginning of this project right here (http://aok.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=4&tn=26786&f=,,,&st=0). It has few references to what the project is today, but there you can see how the things got moving in the very, very beginning :)

Alex Walz
11-14-2011, 03:35 PM
I joined RWS long after you, but welcome back and thanks for the kind words! :D

And yup, Kon and Ryan are still around, as is John. You may want to check out our time capsule (http://www.reverieworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3145) to see how the game progressed from your day to the present day.

Chris
11-14-2011, 07:09 PM
That Time Capsule is really nice, I did not know it existed! It's great to see the 3D artwork I originally made (it's the whole 2003 period there). We had more 2D pictures back in the day, but most of it is gone now I believe. I remember Micah Hymer collecting them at some point though.

I dug up some pictures from my old hard drive that I used to work on. Here's the original map of Mythador:
Map of Mythador (http://uploads.waher.net/mythador.jpg)

And some promotional screenshots (the bloom effect was added in post, the engine did not support it back in the day):
Promotional Screenshot 1 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-1.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 2 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-2.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 3 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-3.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 4 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-4.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 5 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-5.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 6 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-6.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 7 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-7.jpg)
Promotional Screenshot 8 (http://uploads.waher.net/dof-promo-screen-8.jpg)

GPS51
11-14-2011, 07:56 PM
That is a cool looking map :D and the picks are good. Someday folks can pay 65$ to see these in the complete edition ;)

Konstantin Fomenko
11-15-2011, 11:16 AM
Hey Kristo!

Yeah - after all these years...:) It`s a great feeling to see DoF in stores, finally arrived to EBGames here in Canada. And welcome to the community!

Dreamwalker
11-15-2011, 04:26 PM
Hi, and welcome back! No, I don't remember you; but after reading the original ideas on the AoK Heaven forums...I wish I did! To think you guys came up with all of this 10 years ago (okay, not all, but still); and whoever it was who came up with the name "Reverie," I have to say that it's the perfect name (now that I looked it up! :D ).

Looking at the map is cool too...to see all the completely different lands and randomly stumble upon "Denwall" and "Dagbor" was seriously surprising.

I always loved this game and I always thought the company was great, but I never realized that you guys seriously were nothing but a couple of old gamers who got together on a forum; which explains why this company, unlike just about every other one, actually care about what the players think: because at heart, you still are players.

Must be amazing for you guys to finally realese a game you've been working on (most of the time as something you doubted would ever amount to anything) for ten years. Pretty awesome. :D

Novakiller
11-15-2011, 05:25 PM
Glad to see you have returned chris. Thx for the images as well, especially the original old map of the mythador as well, bloody awesome :D It really is a truely an amazing feat to see where DOF came from and see where it is today, truely remarkable and should be very proud of what has been achieved here, and whats to come, as this thing has only just started!! this game could truely redefine the genre into a new kind of RTS game, not just as an MMO.

Joseph Visscher
11-15-2011, 09:12 PM
posted 11-07-01 07:17 PM EST (US)
http://aok.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=4&tn=26786&f=,,,&st=0

10 years later... :eek:

That is the most powerful and meaningful post I have ever seen, not for its content but its legend.



Anyways, we are fair from done, there is a lot to fix and improve on.

Chris
11-16-2011, 01:50 AM
... and whoever it was who came up with the name "Reverie," I have to say that it's the perfect name (now that I looked it up! :D ) ...

That was Micah Hymer, who used to lead this project back in the day (the same guy who is tribal_warrior in that forum thread).

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Looking at the map is cool too...to see all the completely different lands and randomly stumble upon "Denwall" and "Dagbor" was seriously surprising. ...

Glad to see you have returned chris. Thx for the images as well, especially the original old map of the mythador as well, bloody awesome :D

Thanks and yeah, there were names we threw around back in the day. Dagbor was always point of focus for us and it was the first place we knew would have to be there. I created the map to sort-of conform with what we had in place about mythology back in the day as a place that has a lot of story potential (especially due to logistics, the mountain chains played a huge part in that).

But the entire map was re-made later on after I had left the project behind, which suits the games needs better.

... but I never realized that you guys seriously were nothing but a couple of old gamers who got together on a forum; which explains why this company, unlike just about every other one, actually care about what the players think: because at heart, you still are players. ...

We were a couple of young gamers, to be more accurate about it! I was barely 17 back when we started.

... Must be amazing for you guys to finally realese a game you've been working on (most of the time as something you doubted would ever amount to anything) for ten years. Pretty awesome. :D

It is awesome. I loved working with the group in those early days and I love seeing it live, even though I played miniscule part in that.

Chris
11-16-2011, 04:20 AM
Also, you want more behind the scenes information?

There was another project started around the same time and it was a little bit tense between the teams those early days, since both developed a 'community game'. The other team is Wildfire Games. That project has actually also gone quite a distance and they developed a free and an open-source strategy game called 0AD. More information here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_A.D._%28video_game%29)

Then there was also a short story that took place in the game world of Dawn of Fantasy. This short story, called 'The Essence of Laephine', written with flawed English, is still available here. (http://www.hot.ee/fd2003/laephine/laephine.html)

Also, below is a recap-post from me from Winter 2002 about the initial stages of the Dawn of Fantasy project. This re-caps more or less everything from the very beginning of the project until it was named 'Dawn of Fantasy'. Mind my use of language, my English was not the best back then, I tried fixing some wording here or there, but still :)


I have to begin telling the story from the point where Micah Hymer formed an Age of Empires 2 Custom Scenario design team called 'Tribal Design Team'. I heard about the team in AOK Heaven forums, where the team was looking for recruits. Most of the replies said that nobody usually wants to join a new team. While I had my own team at the time, called Falcon Campaign Creations, I thought: "What the heck!" and joined. I did not do scenario work for Tribal Design Team, but I worked on artwork for them.

It did not take very long, for Micah's team to end its developments and that moment changed everything that came after. Micah Hymer, known as tribal_warrior, posted one of the most radical ideas in the AOK Heaven forums ever: a thread titled "Lets create our own game...".

Well, obviously, there were only two things that could happen. For one, nobody would care and bash the idea in the replies leading to the post to die soon. But thankfully this did not happen and it received around twenty replies a day, becoming very popular. After more than four months, it had 444 replies.

One of the first replies was mine and I went with the idea immediately. I said that the suggestion would have surprised me, if it was posted by someone other than Micah. It did not take me long to realize that Micah was very good with words and had a sense of managment in him. His Age of Kings scenarios weren't exactly a success, but he always knew how to produce and market them well.

We realized quite soon that we need to organize. A darn good fella known as King of Cheese created a forum (nonamegame.cjb.net), that was later renamed to 'RedForum'. Around thirty people volunteered in just a few days. Later, there were around fifty active members. At that time, there was no theme, engine, not even team and project name, just a whole bunch of talkers, aka 'dreamers'.

In the early stage of organization I was put to lead everything related to graphics decisions while Micah led the team. He also suggested the name "Reverie" as the team name, which many did not approve of. This was just one of the small arguments that caught flames in the forums and soon Micah realised that this was not a good environment to develop a game. He announced that he will split and that democracy is not the way to lead a project and asked others to join him. He decided to form a smaller team and called for people with same ideas to join him in a team called Reverie Studios.

Many talented members joined Reverie. I joined together with few other graphics artists like Josef Bugman. While I was not very experienced with graphics at the time, I still retained my lead artist position in the team while I also played hand in game design and concept in general.
One of the more important parts was that Micah Hymer brought with him a young computer programmer John Lockwood. Previously in the RedForum we did not have any developers at all, so inclusion of an actual programmer was an important step.

John was one of the most important pieces in the team. He had created an RPG game engine in his past, and joining Reverie, he reprogrammed it into an RTS one. At that time it did not have much on it. It was a 2D engine, had 256 colors, and had no elevation features whatsoever. Yet it had more options for us than any freeware engine available for download at the time.

The team that we split from formed a new team called 1337. There was a long war of flaming and such between Reverie and 1337 due to past grudges, though later peace was formed between the teams. 1337 continued to have production problems however and had other splits within itself, such as team called Phoenix, ITIS Creations and team called Wildfire.

Until Christmas, we did not do much. John upgraded the engine, I did some 3D graphics, such as trees and a castle, though I was not satisfied with the limits of the engine. In graphics department, the greatest headache was the limit of colors. Every realistic color was missing, and I ran into many problems while trying to replace color palette.

We still had no plans whatsoever about the theme of the game. A lot discussing was around Middle Ages, especially Dark Ages. Soon the team got another assett, Yanic Barret, jamaican art student who provided the team with multiple sketches.

After Christmas holidays and hundreds of e-mails we finally settled on a new theme for the game. The theme would be ultimate fantasy, with most well-known races and very powerful Scenario Editor. Another news was the new 24bit engine, as John also got a new computer, so he could dabble in more powerful graphics. So did I, swapping my Pentium II 300Mhz with a 1.2Ghz Celeron.

The engine also provided elevation maps and was amazing, to leave out just one fact, it only worked on John's computer! We then had almost a whole month full of bug-testing, until the problems were fixed. During that time some new members joined.

Unit design was handed over to Poser expert Duane Beckett, as we wanted to use Poser program to create units for the game and I had no skills in it. Our leader Micah Hymer also wrote a huge design book that details the concept of the game.

Finally the engine bug was fixed and in a chat I remember saying the words: "Now the real work can begin!". It was too good to be true, yet it was just that. And few weeks later the engine was changed from 2D-3D hybrid to a full 3d engine, enabling dozens of more options, especially for graphics department.

Josef Bugman left the team after Christmas, as he wanted to do a Lord of the Rings game with WildFire Studios. Reveries and WildFires paths crossed once more a bit time later, when there was a merge plan discussed to unite Wildfire's and Reveries teams.

WildFires leader, I have to admit, was a very smart leader. I got that impression very soon during the discussions. But Wildfire wanted that in the case of merge, we would do a free Lord of the Rings game and would not sell our work if we had a chance. And that was the big "no-no" for Micah and Reverie.

Antoher main problem with the merge was that John did not want to "give" his engine away, he had invested hours in it, and giving it away as freeware in the future was out of question. It was more than obvious that the main objective for WildFire was to get that engine.

Reveries and WildFires paths did not cross in the future any more, but something can be pointed out about their next steps anyway. WildFire began two projects at once, both RTS and would be working on a same engine. First project was called 'Lord of the Rings - The Last Alliance' and the other '0AD'.

New members began pouring in the team after good recruitment by Micah. Michal Matczak, a fabulous sketch artist, joined, along with two 3D artists Tiago Carita and Tom Roe. I finished all low polygon civilization Men buildings, and also animated Reveries logo. I also created many promotional type of animations. Tiago worked on Archer which came along just nice.

Then began summer, and I was away and separated from the internet for a long time. As I returned the winds of change had started blowing. John Lockwood was finishing a totally new engine, marking the fourth time in the history of Reverie Entertainment where the engine was almost entirely revamped.

But this certainly was not the only department where winds of change were blowing. In Art Department, thanks to the new abilities of our engine, alot was changed as well. One of the major changes the beauty opacity map implementation and new polygon system limits. Simply saying, all - and I mean ALL - of the graphics had to be redone. Soon followed full set of new buildings for civilization Men, along with many new trees and other objects. Project took a huge step forward and mostly everything that came before October 2002 was scrapped.

The project was "reborn" after that date. Along with this rebirth, project name has changed to "Dawn of Fantasy", a fantasy game in the theme of Lord of the Rings, but not infringing on Tolkien copyrights.

Dreamwalker
11-16-2011, 06:08 PM
Thanks! The story is good, and the recap post is very interesting; I never knew that the original team split up, but I guess that's how it goes.

Alex Walz
11-16-2011, 08:10 PM
We're still pretty close with Wildfire Games on a personal level. But only three of our original guys are still at Reverie, and probably less than that for WFG, so we have naturally grown apart. But we're still sister studios and I know that a lot of us, Kon included, keep up-to-date with their game, 0 A.D., and talk to their staff, and they do the same with DOF. Just this morning I had a good chat with their Producer (I'm waiting for him to get the hang of DOF before destroying him ;)), and I used to be pretty close with their PR guy and a number of other developers no longer with the team.

We had "embassies" at each other's sites for many years (which is where I know Kristo's name from), but we still toss around media and links to each other's projects from time to time. I encourage you all to check out their site: http://wildfiregames.com/ :)

Chris
11-17-2011, 01:30 AM
Thanks! The story is good, and the recap post is very interesting; I never knew that the original team split up, but I guess that's how it goes.

Community teams splitting up very quickly (and possibly more than once) is a very common phenomenon. Communities don't really have a screening process, so you end up with a lot of people with their own - often very different - vision of the project, leading to splits or subprojects. Reverie wasn't the only team like this of course, Wildfire Games split into three separate projects very early on.

We had "embassies" at each other's sites for many years (which is where I know Kristo's name from), but we still toss around media and links to each other's projects from time to time. I encourage you all to check out their site: http://wildfiregames.com/ :)

Yes, it was rather heated in the beginning before we buried the hatchet. We were both gaming communities and wanted feedback from likeminded individuals, embassies helped with that quite a bit, since one team could inspire the other and vice versa.

Thanks for reminding me about the embassies though, I managed to find out that I was part of the team for three years and one month and parted from Reverie December 4, 2004, so seven years ago. I always wondered about that date :)

Anyways, I wish all of you the best of luck! I'll possibly join the online battles once the game matures with patches and has less technical issues than reported in reviews.