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Dman
11-05-2011, 06:38 PM
I bought this game last night and i was unaware that there was an in game shop, if i had of known that there was one i wouldnt have bought the game, people should be informed of this aspect before they buy the game. Here are a few reasons why i think this should be removed.

1. I believe that once we have paid for this game we shouldent have to continue paying just to use it to its full extent.
2. The shop can potentially give people that are willing to pay an unfair advantage.
3. It lessons the value of actualy achieving anything because the next guy can do the same thing in far less time if he is willing to spend the $$$

This is not an exhaustive list feel free to add. I ask my fellow gamers to sign this petition if they agree so please put SIGNED at the begining of your post followed by anything else you wish to add. :)

Dreamwalker
11-05-2011, 06:57 PM
Erm, well...SINGED. Sort of.

Because there's one really important thing that's missing from your post: the fact that in the shop, you buy all that cool stuff with influence/wealth points (there both the same thing, but both names are used in different places). You get these points from completing quests and fighting in PvP; these points are also used to research technologies and are needed to start building walls.

Now what you're talking about is getting rid of the option to pay real money for these points, and I guess I have to agree with you there. But what I definitely don't agree with is getting rid of the market entirely, because it's a way to get special units you can't get any other way at the moment; and in the future, this is how a lot of new content will get added.

So, yes and no. Yes, I don't think you should be able to use real money to buy advantages; but no, I do think that the market itself is a good idea and should definitely be kept.

Dman
11-05-2011, 07:02 PM
correction i was only refering to the part of the shop where you pay real $$$ for benefits.

Sorry i should have been clearer but essentaily i hope people and the developers will get what i am trying to say.

Dreamwalker
11-05-2011, 07:10 PM
Yeah, I kinda thought that, but just wanted to make sure; I don't want to sign a petition that stops me from getting dwarves and dragons! ;)

But it would be nice if they took out the real money thing; though it might not be a huge difference now, as more stuff shows up in the market paying with real money will get to be a bigger and bigger advantage; might as well stop it now.

Good luck with your petition! :D

andreicde
11-05-2011, 07:56 PM
Yeah, I kinda thought that, but just wanted to make sure; I don't want to sign a petition that stops me from getting dwarves and dragons! ;)

But it would be nice if they took out the real money thing; though it might not be a huge difference now, as more stuff shows up in the market paying with real money will get to be a bigger and bigger advantage; might as well stop it now.

Good luck with your petition! :D

that would be impossible though,they need money to actually have a constant revenue as well.I don't mind for shop influence though,since getting a town fully ready doesn't take that long and besides the advantages bought aren't that big.Like right now the best investment might be the dwarf cannon (yes I say well MIGHT). So as long as they don't have imba stuff you can buy only in the shop without having a way to acquire points,it's cool.

Dman
11-05-2011, 09:48 PM
you may be right i understand they will need a constant source of revenue to continue maintaning the game, thats only fair. I do however hope that that take into account the potential for imbalancing that this method generates and also as i mentioned before the sense of accomplishment of building a city or an army is greatly diminished when you can simply buy it.

perhaps a subscription type of setup, although i would expect the game be completly finished and bug free before they ask for subscription, maybe the shop method could remain untill the game is complete.

andreicde
11-05-2011, 11:11 PM
you may be right i understand they will need a constant source of revenue to continue maintaning the game, thats only fair. I do however hope that that take into account the potential for imbalancing that this method generates and also as i mentioned before the sense of accomplishment of building a city or an army is greatly diminished when you can simply buy it.

perhaps a subscription type of setup, although i would expect the game be completly finished and bug free before they ask for subscription, maybe the shop method could remain untill the game is complete.

no actually I'm against subs since they never last. Look at Lotro. It was a sub game then changed into a sub with f2p,then sub with f2p and more mall stuff and now sub but if you buy from store you have to buy tons of stuff.I have faith our devs will balance the shop since they actually play the game as well here so they know when something is too much.

GPS51
11-05-2011, 11:32 PM
Well right now the shop is for eye candy and for buying resources. You don't have to use it. You won't be matched up with players who are lots stronger then you. So players can't use the shop to gank other players. I like the option of buying "special/eye candy units" with either cash or just by playing the game (currently the way it is) I don't see a need to take the shop out as it stands :)

Danny Vink
11-06-2011, 12:11 AM
The fact that the game has an in-game shop is actually advertised around the website. But as GPS51 stated, you won't run into any issues if you choose not to pay for anything in game. You are matched against people your own level

szebus
11-06-2011, 02:45 AM
Against that petition, I believe the game needs a shop like this with real money as real money makes the game to develop further.

SethWms
11-11-2011, 04:59 PM
NOT SIGNED.

The in game shop is a great way for new players to play catch-up with their buddies. There's no need to use it if you don't want to, just ignore it. Besides, the in game shop sells services for wealth. Yes, you can buy more wealth online, but you can also earn it in game, so questers have an advantage and it gives people another incentive to pursue the story aspect of the game.

nuraiel
11-12-2011, 06:28 AM
Strongly against it, as far as I could tell up to now it is a nice and optional addition for people who may have the money to buy influence, but not the time to farm it.
Additionally you can get everything without paying a dime (if you really got to much time on your hands) and I have seen no item that would classify as the dreaded "Pay to win".

And let's not forget, praise alone does not pay for office spaces and employees :D

Just keep it the way it is.

andreicde
11-12-2011, 08:08 AM
Plus there is the fact no game survives without a touch of a game store unless it's with subs.And our store is convenient not pay to win

Boricsmith
11-12-2011, 08:33 AM
NOT SIGNED. I have played a bunch of MMOs where you had to eventually use the store to stay even with those who use it. That does not seem true in this case. I have never bought influence, and have competed just fine against people with royal dragons, the highest priced item in the store.

Konstantin Fomenko
11-12-2011, 10:00 AM
Glad to see players actually supporting the in-game shop:) Looks like we manage to balance this just right.

andreicde
11-13-2011, 01:17 PM
NOT SIGNED. I have played a bunch of MMOs where you had to eventually use the store to stay even with those who use it. That does not seem true in this case. I have never bought influence, and have competed just fine against people with royal dragons, the highest priced item in the store.

Well actually it's also because atm royal drag is the worst thing you can buy cost-wise,but yeah shop is balanced

Joseph Visscher
11-13-2011, 06:10 PM
I will only sign at the time where players who don't buy wealth can't purchase something for free.

Otherwise I was one of the guys who thought of and invented our in game shop system with Wealth, you will like it later on when you can buy a 20$ dof 2 expansion pack for free. or endless amounts of DLC quests, map packs, new world map regions? navel expansions and or homelands's second towns with naval combat. all of this is free, aslong as you have enough wealth earned. we are not like other Free to play games we do not have a currancy that only people who buy with real money can get, Wealth is easy to win you just kill a person in pvp or go complete a quest.

In terms of giving people an advantage, this is incorrect all it does it makes them have to spend less time to achieve the same that would take you longer, or make them stronger so they need to battle stronger opponents and if you are below them completely be unable to attack you.

The economic model will come clear to you after u play a bit, and the income from it will help us pay for the server fees, atleast your not paying a flat monthly rate.

Sunleader
11-14-2011, 09:54 AM
NOT SIGNED

Any Company needs a Source of Income beyond the Game being bought especially when the Game keeps being Improved which is the case here.

Unlike bigger Companys which pay the new Game with Earning from the Last Game and those have a circulation running.

New Companys like this need instant Money to keep Development up

Pls note that just buying it will only pays for the Development up to this point
since the Game however keeps being advanced and improved there also needs to be a constant supply of Money


I Actually Agree with the Idea of having an Ingame Job as Source of Income
since the alternative would be things like Paying for Add Ons and Bonusstuff
or for example Paying Monthly Fees

therefore I wont Sign any Idea which would hinder this Concept


Pls keep in Mind Devs and other Staff in the Company need to be paid in order to keep working on this Game
Same goes for Server and Traffic Costs



So I dont mind this Item Shop as long as it aint Game Breaking
and right now as you can Earn Crowns and stuff via other Options
and as long as things from the Item Shop are not super strong stuff making you invincible

I am absolutely fine with it.

Dreamwalker
11-14-2011, 04:44 PM
Pls note that just buying it will only pays for the Development up to this point
since the Game however keeps being advanced and improved there also needs to be a constant supply of Money

Yeah, didn't think of that. The money does have to come from somewhere.

Pls keep in Mind Devs and other Staff in the Company need to be paid in order to keep working on this Game

What??? You mean the devs get paid ?!?!? :D

blonde
11-14-2011, 05:16 PM
dont agree, it seems to me that the game handles balance fine as it is (everything can be obtained without paying)... the cash shop is just a time saver not an advantage and so long as it stays that way i dont see any issues

u already bought the game so why not give it a chance before u judge?

id rather keep it this way then have them find some other way of making money cos this game will never sell loads of copies no matter how much work they put in so they need something to repay their efforts.

Sunleader
11-14-2011, 11:24 PM
@Dreamwalker
Yeah really unbelieveble isnt it ? ^^




Sorry for Pointing out the Obvius stuff
but too many people tend to forget this when theyre Online ^^