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dougy
07-08-2008, 06:19 AM
I'm very much into RTS games and have played a lot over the past years and have been disappointed :mad: . having played a lot of these games i won't say i'm an expert but i can definitely tell you points that makes a game the best.

Up to now the best RTS game i've ever played is Empire Earth 1. You had complete control of what you did you could look at things at a micro level or at macro level. Whenthis game was made it was made by a very small team , no hype what so ever. But like all good things, at some point are known to the right people .


1) in my experients a game made by a small group are better. A small group tell us that the game is still the brain child of these individuals who had little funding from investors. This is good because investors don't dectate how the game is to be made. The bigger the investors the crappier the game in 99% of the time. Investors are more into the marketing than the actual game play . Game makers are about the game itself , vs, investor all about the money at the point of release. This so evident in the current games we see .
CREATOR OF DAWN OF FANTASY, TRUST ME YOU DON'T NEED TO MUCH HYPE AS LONG AS YOU MAKE A GOOD GAME EVENTUALLY PEOPLE WILL KNOW AND THEY WILL BUY THE GAME . BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THE BIG HYPE ROAD YOU WILL SEE HOW MERCIFUL CRITICS AND GAMERS CAN BE. SO IT IS BETTER TO HAVE LITTLE HYPE AND LEAVE EVERYTHING TO THE ELEMENT OF SUPPRISE.


2) Most game these day have fancy graphics, but not appropriate to the actual theme of the game itself. Especially when it comes to RTS games , it just has to be spot on. The characters can't be to big, cartoonish or ant looking, and no stupid comentary. Most RTS game are about some kind of war, then it is imperative that the screen map dosen't look too busy it has to be nice and clean so that players can plan out their tactics with out problems


3) The very nature of the name RTS tell you it is a complicated, more so challenging game that envolves calculating to win. If that is true then why do most RTS producers and game makers assume we are stupid:confused: . Its ironic is not that the very people you are trying to get to play these sort of games are people who love thinking hard and long yet you make these game as thought they were intended for a 5 yr old:mad: . Do 5 yr old have purchasing power can 5yr old think upto that level? Yet you see game developers spending 2-3 yrs making a game, for what? :eek:
I.m not saying don't make it enjoyable for everyone all i'm saying is know your market.
A good RTS has 100% micro management ie i can fine tune a hero, control the movemt of a single soldier or worker if wanted, by placing markers, and a timer telling them f for how long they should do it, you can set defensive or offensive, i can set them to guard over a group at all times, maintain a surtain distance , start attacking when enemies have crossed this barrier. Micro is for the die hards of RTS. A good RTS should also have 100% macro ie when i feel that it is better for this particular objective to be automated then i can use macro. So option have to be always available to players .

yes producers of Dawn of fantasy you have showed us a lot of pictures and have managed to merely graze on the details of the game. But the truth is i know it and you know you have told us, the die hard RTS fans ,nothing. We want the nuts and bolts detail i.e a walk through explaining why it is a good game , how deep is the micromanagement ,more information on the online play MMO as they say it.


conlusionBased from all the information i have from you about Dawn of fantasy you have the ability to make a RTS game that will be used as a bench mark for all other RTS games for some time to come . What idawn of fantasy is , is a game that looks into all the best RTS games evermade - taking all the strong points. You the also looked at what the best games pitfalls were , used it to you radvantage. And you also looked at the worst RTS games that had very good concepts but not well thought out. Just remember you know what you are doing because, you won't be the first company to try . All you have to do is ask the Empire Earth 3 -the most terrible game you can ever think off. The truth is no player played it because it just made you sick hearing silly comment and stupid cartoonish characters. So no one ever gave it a chance.

verdict So dawn of fantasy has the ability to be the best or the worst game ever made.
Will just wait and see.

The Witch King of Angmar
07-08-2008, 07:09 AM
Another topic like this? Oh well. Welcome to the forums.

ash12181987
07-08-2008, 08:17 AM
I like it:

-Suggestion: Be awesome

Loholt
07-08-2008, 09:46 AM
Well, it was an interesting post, but took some time for me to read it all because of your grammar mistakes.

You want the best micro and macro management? Well, it seems to me you have never played Rome: Total War. Want a good overall RTS game? Play Warcraft III or Comand and Conquer.

Anyways, every game has the chance of being the best or the worst game ever. It all depends on the developers. And as far as I can see about DoF, it'll be one of the best. That's what I am hoping for.

Khyron
07-08-2008, 10:09 PM
First off welcome to the forums.

Second I believe the developers are attempting to make the best RTS that appeals to the most people. Given that everyones preferences vary from heavy micro to focused on macro control, a balance must be found. As for asking for the nuts and bolts of the game so you chew on the details be-wear what you ask for. One developer could have more experience playing micro games and give X example, limited to there standards. Then a different developer could have little micro experience and give Y example, one that micro is too much. The developers own experience and there examples could cause you to not get the full picture. Another possibility could be that they are still working on the nuts and bolts as we have heard that the company is working on the rendering of the game models.

So in conclusion please be patient as the game is under development and step away from the instant gratification current society is shoving down peoples throats.

Sketchie
07-09-2008, 10:54 AM
So in conclusion please be patient as the game is under development and step away from the instant gratification current society is shoving down peoples throats.

Agree heavily with this statement, even though i share the feelings and anticipation for the results of this game once it comes out.


S

Puppeteer
07-12-2008, 04:36 AM
Why would you want all the details about the game? It wouldn't leave much to the imagination about the game when you got it, and due to some bias when you got it if it didn't match up to the details you would be disappointed. Just wait and enjoy the game when it comes out.

ash12181987
07-16-2008, 02:18 PM
I hate to ressurect this, but Reverie, after my hopes of ever finding another good multiplayer RPG (NOT MMORPG, if I needed to loose money, I'd burn it), completely squashed today... I beg of you to be amazing

iceblast
07-16-2008, 03:38 PM
[COLOR="Navy"]IMost RTS game are about some kind of war

what else would a rts be about... tea and biscuits... that was a stupid comment.

nickson104
07-17-2008, 07:13 AM
what else would a rts be about... tea and biscuits... that was a stupid comment.

ahahah how very strategic of you :) i shall now dunk my biscuit in your tea :) i win :) :P

Yeah i agree with them also, you cant want to know everything instantly, i mean the developers havent finished making it so they could tell us things they plan to do then we could be let down when they dont appear.
Also some games the public know everything about, take assassins creed, we knew exactly how it was going to function, exactly what we were going to do and exactly how to do it before the game even came out, it was a good game dont get me wrong but it never lived up to its hype due to us knowing everything about it (no surprises to make us pleased)

I hope this game is good of course and i hope it has good micro and macro but the main thing is not to just concentrate on one or the other but find a balance as was already pointed out

And whoever said Command and Conquer surely hasnt played the older versions at least, they were just whoever had the most troops wins no strategy at all really

LordSlayer
07-21-2008, 08:41 PM
ahahah how very strategic of you :) i shall now dunk my biscuit in your tea :) i win :) :P

No because I poisoned your tea and your biscuit so, after you die in agony, I take over your kingdom and outlaw tea and biscuit so no one can defeat me :D

I just hope that you'll be able to play this game without having to be a micromanaging crazy pro gamer, but still be able to have detailed control over your army and your peasants.

SPARROW94
07-21-2008, 11:50 PM
please be the best RTS ever, ARE YOU MAD, pheraps not but probably stupid... this game is has the worst ghrapics ever its not even worth going on the forums any more

SPARROW94
07-21-2008, 11:51 PM
i morgan, has moved on the best RTS ever will be and starcarft2 you with it, and 2nd is dawn of war 2, DOF compared to those is dirt

ash12181987
07-21-2008, 11:58 PM
Well, looks like Sparrow is back

wou129
07-22-2008, 04:13 AM
indeed it looks like it fast scare him off

Puppeteer
07-23-2008, 04:34 PM
Oh great, the serf is back...

Esculas the Mighty
08-02-2008, 08:36 AM
Well, it was an interesting post, but took some time for me to read it all because of your grammar mistakes.

You want the best micro and macro management? Well, it seems to me you have never played Rome: Total War. Want a good overall RTS game? Play Warcraft III or Comand and Conquer.

Anyways, every game has the chance of being the best or the worst game ever. It all depends on the developers. And as far as I can see about DoF, it'll be one of the best. That's what I am hoping for.

those games are for macro no micro really involved pretty boring once u master it took me about a week

frankein_fish
08-02-2008, 02:34 PM
hmm yeah but its still an ass kicking serie

kronlc
10-10-2008, 02:51 AM
i morgan, has moved on the best RTS ever will be and starcarft2 you with it, and 2nd is dawn of war 2, DOF compared to those is dirt

I plAYeD STARCRAFvt ANd I klnow how thats gam
work OK IW AS A PRO AND THE PTHJ
BUt IM Nto saying that k it Was bettR am I Going to play in
onm ti IM NOT saying thgat either
BUTt IM shure wE can all agreee that its goingt o be better?
shure ok then

SvN
10-10-2008, 08:05 AM
I plAYeD STARCRAFvt ANd I klnow how thats gam
work OK IW AS A PRO AND THE PTHJ
BUt IM Nto saying that k it Was bettR am I Going to play in
onm ti IM NOT saying thgat either
BUTt IM shure wE can all agreee that its goingt o be better?
shure ok then

your writing style really impress me..

Puppeteer
10-10-2008, 10:12 AM
Disgusts me... I can't even be sarcastic about that kinda thing...

nickson104
10-10-2008, 02:10 PM
Disgusts me... I can't even be sarcastic about that kinda thing...

and i dont blame you... its so pointless and an eyesight, i didnt even bother to read it

The Witch King of Angmar
10-10-2008, 02:18 PM
That along with spam irritates the heck out of me.

kronlc
10-11-2008, 04:33 AM
Disgusts me... I can't even be sarcastic about that kinda thing...


Sorry guys it was like 2:00am in the morning
I went straight from my bed and posted :D
anyways its like a jigsaw if you arrange some letters
and I thought nerds liek challenges.

Puppeteer
10-11-2008, 06:21 AM
It's funny, you call us "nerds" when you get up in the middle of the night to post on a gaming forum.

kronlc
10-11-2008, 06:58 AM
It's funny, you call us "nerds" when you get up in the middle of the night to post on a gaming forum.

Nice?

Nah' I actually got up to for a entirely different reason
at first but ended up posting on here anyway.

Anyways to get back on topic, I defy anyone to say this
isnt going to be the best game ever!, cmon !!!.

Jean=A=Luc
10-11-2008, 07:44 AM
I thought he was satirizing Sparrow's posts with that writing style of his.

nickson104
10-11-2008, 01:00 PM
I thought he was satirizing Sparrow's posts with that writing style of his.

lolol :p

kronlk why are you calling everyone nerds? we have just as much life as anyone else, I have a really good social life and am quite sporty but i like my RTS and my fantasy and other games, and yes I am also quite intelligent too (which is why i DONT make Po5t5 L1k3 Th15...)

yes this game will be amazing if it lives up to the standards it has been set

Joseph Visscher
10-11-2008, 03:06 PM
lolol :p

kronlk why are you calling everyone nerds? we have just as much life as anyone else, I have a really good social life and am quite sporty but i like my RTS and my fantasy and other games, and yes I am also quite intelligent too (which is why i DONT make Po5t5 L1k3 Th15...)

yes this game will be amazing if it lives up to the standards it has been set

I actually find being called a nerd a good thing.

What standards have been set? We've hardly released any media/info on the game even yet. :p

Puppeteer
10-11-2008, 03:57 PM
kronlk why are you calling everyone nerds? we have just as much life as anyone else, I have a really good social life and am quite sporty but i like my RTS and my fantasy and other games, and yes I am also quite intelligent too (which is why i DONT make Po5t5 L1k3 Th15...)
Don't feel the need to justify yourself to him, honestly, there's no need. It's probably not helping either...

kronlc
10-11-2008, 04:06 PM
Well Joe'
from what Ive heard and seen in the limited
time I've been on here, I think its looking pretty coolay.

I have a querstion, when you are building troops, will you
have to mine certain resources or build certain buildings for certain
weapons for example.
"A steel smithy" for swords and maces?
Another cool feature would be getting the option depending
how rich and advanced you are, To equip soldiers with different types
of armor Eg, You choose to give your 10 swords men leather jerkins
because you cant quite afford chain mail ....or even Plate armor?

nickson104
10-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Well Joe'
from what Ive heard and seen in the limited
time I've been on here, I think its looking pretty coolay.

I have a querstion, when you are building troops, will you
have to mine certain resources or build certain buildings for certain
weapons for example.
"A steel smithy" for swords and maces?
Another cool feature would be getting the option depending
how rich and advanced you are, To equip soldiers with different types
of armor Eg, You choose to give your 10 swords men leather jerkins
because you cant quite afford chain mail ....or even Plate armor?

Or to reward your veterans, the leaders of groups and the veterans of fights can have their armours upgraded if you so wish. Have one plate mail unit 3 chain mail and 12 leather :p a decent battalian :) :p

kronlc
10-11-2008, 06:40 PM
Or to reward your veterans, the leaders of groups and the veterans of fights can have their armours upgraded if you so wish. Have one plate mail unit 3 chain mail and 12 leather :p a decent battalian :) :p

Good idea nickson, I still think you should have the option of
equipping the individeul soldier with whatever armor is in your price
range tho, as long as its realistic.....I mean, back in that day the cost
of a single suit of plate armor could outweigh the value of a
small farm ........plate armor sets were usually passed down through
family generations that was its worth. Soldiers were even lucky to
get equiptd with chain mail such was the value due to the time
and expense (paying armor smiths to create and forge the links
together could take a hell of alot of time. men at arms usually had no
choice but to find a liege lord that could equip them with such necessitys.

This should also be the same with head gear like leather skull caps
to steel nose cap helmets all the way to full face pig snout helmets.

If this idea was implemented into the game it should be made as realistic as
possible.

(1) Create 5 leather jerkins. (50 gold) 30 mins.
(2) Create 5 chain mail coats (200 gold) 2 hours
(3) Create 5 plate armor sets (1000) gold 10 hours

Kind of like that .

nickson104
10-12-2008, 04:33 PM
Good idea nickson, I still think you should have the option of
equipping the individeul soldier with whatever armor is in your price
range tho, as long as its realistic.....I mean, back in that day the cost
of a single suit of plate armor could outweigh the value of a
small farm ........plate armor sets were usually passed down through
family generations that was its worth. Soldiers were even lucky to
get equiptd with chain mail such was the value due to the time
and expense (paying armor smiths to create and forge the links
together could take a hell of alot of time. men at arms usually had no
choice but to find a liege lord that could equip them with such necessitys.

This should also be the same with head gear like leather skull caps
to steel nose cap helmets all the way to full face pig snout helmets.

If this idea was implemented into the game it should be made as realistic as
possible.

(1) Create 5 leather jerkins. (50 gold) 30 mins.
(2) Create 5 chain mail coats (200 gold) 2 hours
(3) Create 5 plate armor sets (1000) gold 10 hours

Kind of like that .

it could work, but what about orcs? rightfully they should loot corpses? and elves, cloth only? how often do you see elves running into battle with full plate...? :p and dragons eventually... most of their units wouldnt have armour...

kronlc
10-12-2008, 07:29 PM
it could work, but what about orcs? rightfully they should loot corpses? and elves, cloth only? how often do you see elves running into battle with full plate...? :p and dragons eventually... most of their units wouldnt have armour...


Some different armors for each race I would think.
I was just giving a quick example.
Chain mail and leather could be used for all sides
just worn in different fashions (left for the imagination)

Um ...and for the ORCS :D instead of plate armor
"""""BONE ARMOR"""" made out of elves bones....: :P

Elves.....they should get some magical type of material.
thats really light weight but still uber at the same time.

and Dragons......well Iron or something like that..

The Witch King of Angmar
10-12-2008, 07:55 PM
it could work, but what about orcs? rightfully they should loot corpses? and elves, cloth only? how often do you see elves running into battle with full plate...? :p and dragons eventually... most of their units wouldnt have armour...

Dragons could just use their scales as an armor.

Mrdash
10-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Thats what I was thinking.
I mean it makes sense doesnt it.=-D

I too like that idea nickson. *Hey I like this guy im gonna give him the best armor and keep him alive*

Esculas the Mighty
10-13-2008, 08:42 AM
Thats what I was thinking.
I mean it makes sense doesnt it.=-D

I too like that idea nickson. *Hey I like this guy im gonna give him the best armor and keep him alive*

lol if i had that choice youd prob see my citizens running around in full plate armor and a chain mail because *Hey I like these guys I'm gonna give them the best armor and keep them alive*

nickson104
10-13-2008, 09:47 AM
lol if i had that choice youd prob see my citizens running around in full plate armor and a chain mail because *Hey I like these guys I'm gonna give them the best armor and keep them alive*

Lol and all your forces charging into battle wearing cloth? :p

Mrdash
10-15-2008, 12:07 PM
[COLOR="Navy"]I actually find being called a nerd a good thing.[COLOR] :p
Where would we be w/o the nerds in our world. C'mon most of the people creating these games I would concider(sp) nerds.But look at the games they come out with!

So back off nerd haters. Now im gonna get in touch with my nerd side and watch the new Clone Wars episode.

WOOT FOR US NERDS!

nickson104
10-15-2008, 03:37 PM
Where would we be w/o the nerds in our world. C'mon most of the people creating these games I would concider(sp) nerds.But look at the games they come out with!

So back off nerd haters. Now im gonna get in touch with my nerd side and watch the new Clone Wars episode.

WOOT FOR US NERDS!

hehe has anyone seen the film idiocracy? it is a terrible film but it has a good point, there is a small number of smart people and they generally die childless as they are uncool wheras the dull cool people have many kids and basically it shows that in the years to come the whole world will become so extremely stupid without the nerds to lead the way...

Aye the makes of the games are nerds in their profession areas, i cannot do anything to do with that, i cant design and i cant script and i cant animate or anything, i know bits of how its done which i guess is a lot more than a lot of people but not enough to count at all really...

Esculas the Mighty
10-15-2008, 05:52 PM
hehe has anyone seen the film idiocracy? it is a terrible film but it has a good point, there is a small number of smart people and they generally die childless as they are uncool wheras the dull cool people have many kids and basically it shows that in the years to come the whole world will become so extremely stupid without the nerds to lead the way...

Aye the makes of the games are nerds in their profession areas, i cannot do anything to do with that, i cant design and i cant script and i cant animate or anything, i know bits of how its done which i guess is a lot more than a lot of people but not enough to count at all really...

i dont think the stereotypical nerd exists anymore

everyone has a little nerd in them now

Mrdash
10-15-2008, 07:38 PM
That and Redneck / Hic.........c'mon admit it.

Ouch man we have gone off topic.

kronlc
10-16-2008, 04:36 AM
i dont think the stereotypical nerd exists anymore

everyone has a little nerd in them

SPeak for your self dude.....

Esculas the Mighty
10-16-2008, 07:13 AM
SPeak for your self dude.....

its not a bad thing but its ok to deny it lol

raving
10-16-2008, 07:32 AM
its not a bad thing but its ok to deny it lol

people are afraid to show the true person within.

thats where we elves come in. We gut their stumachs open and let their inner soul free.

Puppeteer
10-16-2008, 10:04 AM
I'm fine with "nerd", but Clone Wars!? Eugh.

hehe has anyone seen the film idiocracy? it is a terrible film but it has a good point, there is a small number of smart people and they generally die childless as they are uncool wheras the dull cool people have many kids and basically it shows that in the years to come the whole world will become so extremely stupid without the nerds to lead the way...
I wouldn't carry on down this trend of thought. You know it isn't all that black & white, and the only thing that could come from this is eugenics. Don't even go there.

nickson104
10-16-2008, 10:26 AM
I'm fine with "nerd", but Clone Wars!? Eugh.


I wouldn't carry on down this trend of thought. You know it isn't all that black & white, and the only thing that could come from this is eugenics. Don't even go there.

lol why ruin my fun? :p

Yes i agree with you, nothing is truely white and black just as nothing is good or evil.

Besides having an inner nerd is awesome :) everyone has it i think lol

kronlc
10-17-2008, 09:55 PM
nothing is truely white and black


NO racialslurs please nickson lets stay on topic ok.

Puppeteer
10-18-2008, 05:33 AM
That was no racial slur at all. Get with it. I've a good mind to delete your post, but I won't :p
And if that was an attempt at a joke, it was poor.

nickson104
10-18-2008, 05:54 AM
NO racialslurs please nickson lets stay on topic ok.

LOL simple minded? it basically means nothing is as simple as good or bad, everything is difficult, an evil doer does not see themselves as evil and think their doing good but in a different way to everyone else and after all what caused them to be this twisted, after all people are who they are due to their experiences.

that was as simple an example i could find for you :)

SPARROW94
12-07-2008, 04:40 AM
im native-american...

The Witch King of Angmar
12-07-2008, 04:59 PM
Back on topic please.

Ciprian
04-26-2011, 04:09 AM
i hope this will be the first complete mmorts game, i want the mmo part too be great too,otherwise there are many good rts games

Boulway
04-28-2011, 11:51 AM
I can not really imagine how RTS and MMO will fit together. But we will see...

Trotibal
05-01-2011, 03:04 PM
will be great fights!!!