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otomotopia
05-24-2010, 11:29 AM
So for graduation, I was told that I was getting a laptop as a present. Its pretty common where I live, but I'm not sure if it's as common in other places around the country.

Either way, I'm stuck.

My task is to find a laptop that's $1000 or less pre-shipping/tax for my graduation present. I'm basically looking for a compromise between performance and space, with an emphasis on performance. I know enough about hardware to pick the following out, but not to discern the best one for my needs.

*Edit2* Links work.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6007820&CatId=4939
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6087534&CatId=4938
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5581194&CatId=4938
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5722170&CatId=4938

Any help or suggestions would be awesome! And If anyone has a different laptop that I haven't listed in mind, please tell me! I have no preference in brand name or size, but please avoid Dell products. Any cool features like customizable lights are always a plus ^^

Thank you in advance!

zach12wqasxz
05-24-2010, 11:44 AM
i couldnt look at any of them because the website was down or something
got DNS server errors

how about this?
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/alienware-m11x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

Puppeteer
05-24-2010, 11:50 AM
You're getting a laptop? Man, when I finish school I'll most likely get some book vouchers. Hehe, I think they're helping with uni fees in any case.
I got a Service Unavailable - DNS failure on each page, but I'll tell you my laptop:
Acer Aspire 6935G
Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 @ 2.00GHz
3GB RAM DDR3
NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS
Etcetera etcetera.
Anyway, it cost me... I think 600. That's definitely under your $1000 limit.
I suppose it could function as a gaming laptop, though I don't play newer games (or many games at all! DoF will be an exception), but I presupposed that it could hold it's own. It's got a nice CineDash, good for easy music/movie control.
http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/89462_005.jpg
It's got a 16' CineCrystal screen for movies or when doing multiple essays/looking at multiple online sources (as I so often do for English Literature AS), battery life on lowest power is about 2.5 hours, maybe 3 hours. Not too heavy, and a nice speaker (for a laptop). It's not a monolithic laptop, but it suits me fine, and I love the mobility of the thing. Integrated webcam, so it seems suited to a student who wants to play games/music/movies.
I'm aware they've updated the model since, to 2.26RAM, 4GB DDR3 and the same graphics card but GT instead of GS. That may be a little more expensive... but I got mine on offer from Comet/Currys.

EDIT: NEVER GO ALIENWARE. Not only are they way overpriced, but the websites are deceptive - you appear to get the best components, but you'll find that you have to 'upgrade' on each component (eg. graphics card, sound card, RAM, processor) and the price can and will go up a couple of grand, so that it no longer seems like such a bargain.
I wouldn't recommend HP, but that's because of my poor personal experiences.
Eg. that linked laptop - initially $799. Putting it up to something reasonable... $1,117.98. And 1.3GHz. You can do so much better for a lower price.

otomotopia
05-24-2010, 12:31 PM
i couldnt look at any of them because the website was down or something
got DNS server errors

how about this?
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/alienware-m11x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

Actually, I was looking at that alienware. It's gotten great reviews, but the processor is a bit slow compared to most of the computers in my range. Like Puppeteer said, AlienWare doesn't sell as advertised, but the final product that I would get (after sorting through the order) would still fit the bill quite nicely. But, buying your own parts is usually a minimum 10% cheaper then going AlienWare, and though that percentage is quite good for pre-built, its not a good enough rate for me to get Dell's crappy IT help with it.

Please remember, I'm looking to get as much as I can for my $1000-before-tax-and-shipping limit. Puppeteer, I've found better hardware then your suggestion in my price range (Though those darn links are broken, though thanks for the effort!

Michael Mullens
05-24-2010, 01:52 PM
I've been gaming on a laptop for 3-4 years now so i'll make some recommendations on what i'd buy if I were on your budget.

Asus G73JH-RBBX05 (If you can get them to up the ante) 1199$
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7 +Processor+-+Black/9741729.p?id=1218165344675&skuId=9741729

Asus G60JX-RBBX05 899$
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i5 +Processor+-+Blue/Black/9736955.p?id=1218164036446&skuId=9736955


Personal Perspective:
The Mobility 5870 is the most powerful stand-alone mobile card on the laptop market. Asus is offering it with top grade technology for a tiny price in comparison to Alienware. As a certified PC Tech for many years I can tell you Alienware is just a name brand, Your not really getting what you pay for performance wise. 360M is another great tier 1 card but lacks the performance of the 5870 and only supports direct x 10.1 whereas the 5870 supports DX11.

I would not purchase an Acer, I once worked at an electronics store where we sold them primarily. (Obviously the electronics store owner had no knowledge about technology to source them as their SOLE mobile model.) They had issues, often. Which leads me to my "I would not purchase my laptop from a third party reseller" statement. As if the unit were faulty I would be screwed. I generally need my laptops for day to day work and can give it up for a month while they fix the problem or send me a new one.

So that brings me back to Best Buy, They have quality models in the Asus brand and if something were wrong, you could just swap it out for a new one. So don't settle for older technology that is aging daily, get something new that will last a couple years if needed. The oldest mobile card I would recommend accepting would be the 260m GTX as it was just a solid mobile card.

Do not buy any laptop with a ATI 4xxx series... those cards were not good and had many problems with many games. ATI finally got it right with their 5xxx series. Theres my essay on what you should buy.

blackfang
05-24-2010, 01:57 PM
I would not purchase an Acer, I once worked at an electronics store where we sold them primarily. (Obviously the electronics store owner had no knowledge about technology to source them as their SOLE mobile model.) They had issues, often. Which leads me to my "I would not purchase my laptop from a third party reseller" statement. As if the unit were faulty I would be screwed. I generally need my laptops for day to day work and can give it up for a month while they fix the problem or send me a new one.


Amen to that, i got an acer (through school) It sucks so much i lag on writing programs (and this is a later version that they said was "good enough for you"), and the internet browsers i install on it is ****ed up. The only good thing about acers is that they bring in tons of money to the acer company since ignorant schools and social service departments buy tons of those just to find out they are scrap then to buy a ton of new ones:eek:

Henry Martin
05-24-2010, 05:03 PM
I agree with puppeteer don't go with alienware. The laptop should depend on what you are going to do(model, photo editing, video editing, gaming, etc). Despite puppeteers experience I suggest HP. I also suggest Asus. Their are websites thatt you can build laptop to the specs you want. 'ibuypower.com' is one.

Negthareas
05-24-2010, 08:16 PM
I have found that Asus is good, but a little pricier. It depends. I prefer to order myself, etc for desktops, but that obviously does not work with a laptop. My opinion - aim for best technology within your price range - you will thank yourself later.

Maybe if you can throw an extra 100-200 dollars in there [even though it is a gift] to cover the higher end ones.

Also - If you are going to college, I would actually suggest a big netbook, high-end, and a big 22+ inch monitor. That way, it is easy for class, but you have the big screen for any gaming, movies, editing, or programming.

Josh Warner
05-26-2010, 08:56 AM
Alienware desktops are absurdly price-gougey, their laptops from what I understand aren't the best but not terrible however. I'll defer to those with more experience here and assume they're right, I'd steer clear of alienware no matter the platform.

I love my various Asus MOBOs, all my experience is anecdotal, and far from empirical but I've never had a single issue with one.

Unen
05-26-2010, 09:56 AM
So for graduation, I was told that I was getting a laptop as a present. Its pretty common where I live, but I'm not sure if it's as common in other places around the country.

Either way, I'm stuck.

My task is to find a laptop that's $1000 or less pre-shipping/tax for my graduation present. I'm basically looking for a compromise between performance and space, with an emphasis on performance. I know enough about hardware to pick the following out, but not to discern the best one for my needs.

*Edit2* Links work.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6007820&CatId=4939
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6087534&CatId=4938
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5581194&CatId=4938
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5722170&CatId=4938

Any help or suggestions would be awesome! And If anyone has a different laptop that I haven't listed in mind, please tell me! I have no preference in brand name or size, but please avoid Dell products. Any cool features like customizable lights are always a plus ^^

Thank you in advance!
Couple things I would suggest would be:
1) If you wanna go with a big-brand-name laptop like HP I would buy it from their site
---A) more customization (aka you can spend money on the hardware you need rather than getting more than you need of something).
---B) Youll probably get better warranties if you buy it directly from the brand.
2) I would suggest looking at some of the asus' at newegg.com my friend got one for his graduation and its pretty good (little bulky but what can you expect from a gaming laptop)
like:
$999 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220696
or
830 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220732

Also if youre going to be using this for just college work (typing notes in class and what not) id suggest going with a mac-book like I did (I know dont hate me) or looking at dells new ultra thin laptop, because trust me they are muuuuccchhh easier to carry to class and use than a big bulky laptop.

@Josh - Ive had two alienwares and have had nothing but problems including my desktop being shipped with faulty mobo/GPU and my laptop literally melted lol. Not to mention more expensive than if you were to build it yourself.

EDIT: Puppeteer? Don't you mean 3GB ram? Didn't think ram was sold by the MB :P

Puppeteer
05-26-2010, 10:09 AM
Glad someone's paying attention! Kudos, Unen :p

Josh Warner
05-26-2010, 02:43 PM
EDIT: Puppeteer? Don't you mean 3GB ram? Didn't think ram was sold by the MB :P

They used to, how old are you pup? ;)