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Rvjobje
03-30-2010, 02:27 PM
When archers shoot will the arrows track enemy units? So will it always hit? :)

GPS51
03-30-2010, 02:31 PM
Nope. Arrows can miss since they are fired at a group of men/orcs/elves also the shields that are carried should be able to block arrows and formations themselves will give bonuses or penalties vs arrow fire.

Negthareas
03-30-2010, 02:34 PM
Right - the further the enemy is from the archers, the less arrows will hit. That is the general rule I think. Archers fire en masse [barrage]. There is very little of this "pinpoint" sniper-shooting that you see in LOTR movies or others like Robin Hood. That is very unrealistic. Archers are your standard, run-of-the-mill soldier with a bow and some arrows. Hence the barrage.

GPS51
03-30-2010, 02:40 PM
Right I always figured that actually landing an arrow on the enemies battle line was to be considered a success as opposed to sniping them off. Think RTW with arrow barraging.

blackfang
03-30-2010, 03:34 PM
I wish there was ever a game that could do both:D Like having groups that can take down large groups and stuff without having too many casualities or groups of easily trained low costing archers with a thing for covering the ground with arrows:) Hopefully there will be a little bit of both in this game:rolleyes: Also then the ambushes would be rather bad for the ambushed, however if properly discovered and surrounded it can be very bad for the ambushers:D Hence scouting is a more active part of the game:p

nickson104
03-30-2010, 04:32 PM
Arrows in this game use advanced trajectory systems, arrows will be shot realistically in an arc (unless close i guess). This means arrows have the potential to miss if the target moves, however i think it also means that an arrow could miss a target but hit another behind it...

Yes think of barrages of arrows... That is exactly what archers will be... :D

Darathor
03-31-2010, 06:58 AM
Archers won't always hit in this game. It's going to be more realistic in the fact that from a couple hundred yards away, an archer won't kill everyone with pinpoint accuracy. Barrages of arrows will be shot at your units by large groups of units, not all of them will hit, but many will if your units are grouped together.

blackfang
03-31-2010, 07:58 AM
Archers won't always hit in this game. It's going to be more realistic in the fact that from a couple hundred yards away, an archer won't kill everyone with pinpoint accuracy. Barrages of arrows will be shot at your units by large groups of units, not all of them will hit, but many will if your units are grouped together.

Does that mean that all arrows hit and kill when they are ten feet away? That would mean total decimation of the enemy army if there are archers on the frontlines:eek: That would mean elves are superior to every other (or does it? think about the low numbers of the elves against an bow based army of orcs who do you think will win with a one hit kill?)

Josh Warner
03-31-2010, 10:50 AM
Does that mean that all arrows hit and kill when they are ten feet away? That would mean total decimation of the enemy army if there are archers on the frontlines:eek: That would mean elves are superior to every other (or does it? think about the low numbers of the elves against an bow based army of orcs who do you think will win with a one hit kill?)

We've never said arrows kill units in one hit.

GPS51
03-31-2010, 11:15 AM
Well consider the ratio of orcs to elves is like 20/1 or even 10 to one it would be interesting but now we now. No more 1 hit kills. Unless a catapault.

welshie
03-31-2010, 11:49 AM
Does that mean that all arrows hit and kill when they are ten feet away? That would mean total decimation of the enemy army if there are archers on the frontlines:eek: That would mean elves are superior to every other (or does it? think about the low numbers of the elves against an bow based army of orcs who do you think will win with a one hit kill?)

would mean opposite orcs could put an army of archers on the field, and their numbers would be able to sustain the lesser races number range advantage and get the arrows away which would be like 'i could have sworn it was day light when we starting fighting, ahh theres the sun Uhhhh.... die' but thank god its not :)

blackfang
03-31-2010, 01:13 PM
We've never said arrows kill units in one hit.

no you never did say that, i don't think i really heard what damage each arrow hits with i just read the post from
It's going to be more realistic in the fact that from a couple hundred yards away, an archer won't kill everyone with pinpoint accuracy.

I have no idea to say the name in quote but its Darathor:) And it seemed like he wrote that from a couple of hundreds of yards away they can't kill everyone with pinpoint accuracy but i thought i felt a HOWEVER they can do so in ten yards or so... That would mean a total slaughter of everyone else:cool:

crispyg29
03-31-2010, 02:57 PM
but still i think it shouldn't take like 10 arrows just to bring one guy down you know like it most games

otomotopia
03-31-2010, 03:05 PM
Remember, from what we know, an arrow from a human archer can do 10% of the damage needed to kill an Orc Bezerker. Archer Battalions start with 10 units, so an archer battalion does do enough damage to kill one Bezerker, but thats with each arrow hitting a single unit, which won't statistically happen. So instead, archers do a lot of damage over time, but not in one burst.

Negthareas
03-31-2010, 06:42 PM
Right, they might have to fire four times before killing him, that is assuiming like a 25% accursy maybe depending on the distance.

I think it should take no more than 5 arrow hits to kill an unarmored unit. Sorry, but it just makes sense. I don't want this to be a rock-paper-scissors game, and it doesn't look like it will be :D

blackfang
03-31-2010, 07:03 PM
I like rome total war... It got that indiscriminately arrow rains from archers killing dusins of your own troops in a volley. However their archers are kinda bad, the only archers worth using on the battlefield (in defense its okay with crappy archers) is horse archers:D

Negthareas
03-31-2010, 07:31 PM
I think Age of Empires 2 did a good job with accurcy.

GPS51
03-31-2010, 07:38 PM
Erm barring that thumb ring tech...100% accuracy from HA or any archers is terrible. What are they using? Laser sights?

Negthareas
03-31-2010, 07:39 PM
I had some trouble with that too, but in general the accurcy was far from perfect.

blackfang
04-02-2010, 11:45 AM
Erm barring that thumb ring tech...100% accuracy from HA or any archers is terrible. What are they using? Laser sights?

you sure? They could use guided arrows with an additional thruster to come back if they miss:rolleyes: