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Kire
01-15-2010, 07:50 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/vatican-says-avatar-no-masterpiece-ap

There is one link if you havent heard about it (article) so you can read it.

In my opinion nature can give us more than pope and his religion and they say the navi are worshiping nature and they are afraid ppl will also start to worship it x.x, havent heard biggest crap for a long time. The navi rather understands nature and its value and giving it proper respect as a being and not ®worshiping®. Nature can also give us lot more than just wood and food but pope fear that ppl will realize that he is a big lie and unneeded.
And pope is more concearned about loosing his worshipers rather than figuring how to make better world and respecting ppl around him.

So this is my opinion, could write more but will keep it short and simple =) ... whats your opinion ppl? Agree with him?

szebus
01-15-2010, 09:21 AM
Power, my opinion is power what takes over peoples mind. :(

Those navi's are like wood elves (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/9/97/Wood_elf.png), and again I can only refere to the forgotten realms:
"Wood elves (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/9/97/Wood_elf.png) are the most populous of the elven races. Wood elves (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/9/97/Wood_elf.png) see themselves guardians of the Tel-quessir (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Tel-quessir) forest homes that were largely abandoned after the Crown Wars (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Crown_Wars) and before the Retreat, but unlike most Tel-quessir (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Tel-quessir) they do not view themselves as a people apart from the rest of FaerŻn (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/FaerŻn)."


http://images1.boxwish.com/profile_images/blog/5186/blog_the_navi_language_from_avatar_explained.jpg
http://www.alayna.net/original/elf.jpg

Puppeteer
01-15-2010, 11:23 AM
Pantheism and panentheism are too closely related to paganism (an umbrella term) for the Papacy's liking. Of course the Papacy feels the need to criticize it - the Papacy hardly have a good track record for tolerating other religions/ideas that conflict their position as a vested interest.

LiTos456
01-15-2010, 02:30 PM
That movie was...
unnecessarily long
and avatarded

welshie
01-15-2010, 02:58 PM
I recon its a kinda anti amercian Gun'ho flame type of film as in its more political being as in amercia to the rest of the world go 'PewPew' then later ask the questions.

Darathor
01-15-2010, 04:11 PM
Though it was longer than I expected, it was a good movie with, while some would call it predictable, a plot that has enough twists to keep you interested most of, if not the entire, time.

It does not inspire people to worship nature in any way. The papacy has only very rarely said something that is worth listening to. They denounced Harry Potter because "it teaches children to believe in magic" which it doesn't. Any child who reads that series knows that it isn't real.

Alex Walz
01-15-2010, 04:27 PM
Catholicism, and Christianity in general, is routed in Paganism, and the first chapter of the bible calls humanity to be stewards of the earth. I don't see how we don't appreciate nature.

Also, why can't Catholics criticize a movie? It's called a review. The Vatican Newspaper contains individual opinions, not dogma. Not sure why you feel the need to attack the pope either. I really doubt he's even seen Avatar or made any mention of it.

blackfang
01-15-2010, 05:03 PM
well Christianity has a tendency to get it their way, so before we know it Christianity in general will probably start playing wow and do hardcore pvp, i bet the pope will be the guild leader for the alliance of the Christians:D

Henry Martin
01-15-2010, 05:22 PM
ah, blackfang be careful. The pope would be the leader of the "Hall of Catholic League" as the pope is roman catholic, my good forum friend.

Puppeteer
01-15-2010, 05:34 PM
Catholicism, and Christianity in general, is routed in Paganism
It's been quick to denounce its roots over the ages - in Christianity's earlier and darker ages its philanthropic missionaries so graciously rid barbaric 'civilisations' of their misguided faiths.

blackfang
01-15-2010, 06:00 PM
Well if all of Christianity would unite, the pope would be the leader anyway also i meant Christianity in general:D

Jean=A=Luc
01-15-2010, 06:36 PM
I haven't seen it yet but I tend to agree with those who call the movie a sci-fi Pocahontas story of little substance.

But it always amuses me when the Vatican nerd rages over this sort of thing. "Religions" like Wicca and various neo-paganistic practices have gained a lot of popularity during the past years and the Vatican seems to perceive them as a genuine threat. Should be interesting.

Henry Martin
01-15-2010, 07:29 PM
As a non-baptized person, I try to agnore all of it.

Kire
01-15-2010, 07:50 PM
The Vatican Newspaper contains individual opinions, not dogma. Not sure why you feel the need to attack the pope either. I really doubt he's even seen Avatar or made any mention of it.

Yes you are right, i should use the vatican term not pope =).

Darathor
01-15-2010, 07:58 PM
The pope/papacy and the Vatican are generally held to be the leaders of roman catholics, so what they say is taken generally as dogma by most people most of the time. People might have extrapolated what they said to make it sound like denouncement of the movie, I don't know.

szebus
01-16-2010, 05:29 AM
I haven't seen it yet but I tend to agree with those who call the movie a sci-fi Pocahontas story of little substance.

It is a good movie if you want to relax yore mind for the weekend or if you take you're girl ... huh :rolleyes:, but the term sci-fi Pocahontas suits Avatar best.
For me ... I am tired of all the alien movies where the aliens come to conquer Earth and they still cant because we have some bad ass actors who save us, and really wanted to see a movie, a drama, where humanity is overpowered and others struggle for their pity life's, but in the end humanity win and poor little aliens are trying to survive like some partizan's. Come on, don't tell me Humanity traveled that long distance and they don't have the necessary weapons to kill those "creatures".

massenic
01-16-2010, 06:06 AM
Although I haven't seen it, from what I heard I also conclude that it's nice, thought it's just pocahontas with some cool sci-fi things added.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/epic-fail-avatar-plot-fail.jpg

Kire
01-16-2010, 07:27 AM
Although I haven't seen it, from what I heard I also conclude that it's nice, thought it's just pocahontas with some cool sci-fi things added.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/epic-fail-avatar-plot-fail.jpg

Well indeed navi are quite much based on north american indians so thats why similarities also i guess =).

ash12181987
02-07-2010, 05:07 PM
Reguarding Avatar: a decent action film that for some strange reason appeals to the masses, and has made it possible for James Cameron to buy Kenya and rename it Cameronland. The longer it has been out the more shocked I am that people have completely lost their minds over this and other... Decent titles, while good movies are left to die. That gripe aside: The humans only wanted mining rights, you selfish blue smurfs! But further, the company is run by the biggest group of morons the universe has seen. I would hope in the far future they would have figured good methods of shaft mining, so all that would need be done would be to dig vertically a couple hundred feet and then run horizontal shafts under the Na'vi so no one could freaken' complain. I mean the messy murder buisness would have been a public relations nightmare, who manages this company?? Quantum?! SPECTRE?! SAURON?!

Regarding the Papal Hat: Wait a moment.. I was getting geared up to go on about Pope Benny and the like... but: The Vatican didn't issue a statement, Vatican News did... The Vatican is a nation guys, they have independent radio just like you do. Just because some guy there doesn't like it, doesn't mean it is the springboard of a massive Catholic lead anti-avatar purge. Looks like Yahoo is preserving it's status as one of the crappiest news sources ever by using misleading article titles.

Josh Warner
02-07-2010, 06:52 PM
I mean the messy murder buisness would have been a public relations nightmare, who manages this company?? Quantum?! SPECTRE?! SAURON?!


The Umbrella people.

HolyPollo
02-22-2010, 05:34 AM
Avatar is what happens when you get what you pay for. Spending that much money on the most advanced 3D graphics, of course you're going to be called revolutionary. Still it was essentially Ferngully with concept art from WoW's Burning Crusade. The fact that the Pope is enraged, and that people are going through Pandora withdrawl going back to our "dull dreary existance" is ludicrous. It's a cookie cutter movie and honestly you can see just as dazzling things right here on earth. I think the only people that will be lead astray will be small minded.

blackfang
02-22-2010, 08:09 AM
Avatar is awesome, however did you see when the plane (you know one of those with two engines aimed down) was about to land, it did not show any sign on the grass... a fail? next time you watch the movie look underneath one of the plane/helicopter thingies and see what happens underneath it. However that is the only bad thing about that film, its awesome!:D

zach12wqasxz
02-22-2010, 08:53 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/vatican-says-avatar-no-masterpiece-ap

There is one link if you havent heard about it (article) so you can read it.

In my opinion nature can give us more than pope and his religion and they say the navi are worshiping nature and they are afraid ppl will also start to worship it x.x, havent heard biggest crap for a long time. The navi rather understands nature and its value and giving it proper respect as a being and not ®worshiping®. Nature can also give us lot more than just wood and food but pope fear that ppl will realize that he is a big lie and unneeded.
And pope is more concearned about loosing his worshipers rather than figuring how to make better world and respecting ppl around him.

So this is my opinion, could write more but will keep it short and simple =) ... whats your opinion ppl? Agree with him?




ok the fact that the pope thinks hes gonna lose worshipers because of a digitally genereated movie is stupid, one reason why i hate religion..popes are stupid and hate anythign that they think might oppose there "power" over his followers
SPOILERS:and about this movie being the same as pocohontas, i have to disagree, the indians in pocohonats werent blue, didnt ride bird/dragon looking mounts. and also werent 12 ft tall. the main character/hero guy wasnt handicapped. nobody had machine guns, ppl werent cutting down trees for giant mineral deposits. and just becasue the one "indian" girl and the human guy fell in love means its similiar to pocohontas? thats like saying the titanic is the same as pocohontas...
all in all the movie was absolutly fantastic, it was a great action film with a good romantic touch to it.

Negthareas
02-22-2010, 09:29 PM
The Pope statement did not have anything to do with losing members of his religion. And it was a member of the Vatican, not the Pope. Secondly, they were just stating that the nature-worship stuff in Avatar was contrary to their beliefs, not that the whole movie should be condemned.

I personally think Avatar was a good movie. However, Plot wise, it was much like Pocahontes [however, it is spelled]. Still the special effects and development of characters was able to move beyond this so that the similarities in plot were not detramental to the film.

Darathor
02-24-2010, 01:47 PM
I personally think Avatar was a good movie. However, Plot wise, it was much like Pocahontes [however, it is spelled]. Still the special effects and development of characters was able to move beyond this so that the similarities in plot were not detramental to the film.

This is basically how I felt about the film, it was good, seemed a bit like Pocahontas, but the characters, setting, and plot development stopped it from being too much alike to where it becomes obvious.

blackfang
02-24-2010, 01:56 PM
I guess it does

wills370
02-25-2010, 01:19 PM
I think it was an amazing feat. You only really realise how much the 3d aspect makes a diffrence untill you watch it in 2d which to be hounest it didnt have anywhere near the atmosphere or effect. Though the plot i beleive has been slated heavily i think is perfectly fine. it is no more 2D as some critics put then other plots but compared to the visuals i guess it is the weak spot of the film. Although for a epic film. it really does push the envolope.

Negthareas
03-01-2010, 09:56 PM
I agree totally with the fact that Avatar broke the old mold for movies - any newer "Awesome movies will have to live up to its fantastic special effects.

DarkMaster
03-02-2010, 03:22 AM
To tell the truth, I thought Avatar was one of the greatest feats ever accomplished in cinema. It's right up there with my favs (SW, LotR etc). Yes, the plot is similar to Pocahontas, but it's still a fantastic "re"telling. IMO the great stories are the ones that have been around forever. There's a reason why they last that long:p

Negthareas
03-02-2010, 08:26 AM
To tell the truth, I thought Avatar was one of the greatest feats ever accomplished in cinema. It's right up there with my favs (SW, LotR etc). Yes, the plot is similar to Pocahontas, but it's still a fantastic "re"telling. IMO the great stories are the ones that have been around forever. There's a reason why they last that long:p

Good Point.

DarkMaster
03-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Did I mention I saw it twice? On purpose?:D

Kire
03-02-2010, 03:43 PM
I also saw it twice .. .one in 3d and one normal =)

otomotopia
03-02-2010, 04:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk2vR8w2sjc

This is why Avatar is just too... out there.

DarkMaster
03-02-2010, 08:31 PM
I also saw it twice .. .one in 3d and one normal =)
both times for me was 3D:D

Negthareas
03-03-2010, 06:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk2vR8w2sjc

This is why Avatar is just too... out there.

Kind of get your point - I was a huge LOTR fan until some fanatic tried to curse me in elvish. I am still a big LOTR fan, but not quite as much.